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Mab's Plans
Quantus:
--- Quote from: MacPhoenix on July 23, 2017, 11:11:10 PM ---I would expect the retired Queen to be Mother Winter. I believe she gave or lost her walking stick to the Councils "Black Mage".
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What Snark said: Per WOJ the Mothers change by Abdication; Mother Summer has done so once in Human history, Mother Winter never has.
To the OP: There's been nothing official that I know of.
I do know of two theories currently that I (personally) think have any meat on them:
1)Harry's Bargains. Per WOJ, that third Favor is still in play, but largley moot because the Winter Knight thing basically gives her the ability to ask infinite favors. The theory goes that the Last Favor might be used in a case where Harry might need to be sent after somebody that, per the terms of his Knighthood Bargain, she cannot send him after, specifically a Loved one. So if she needs to send him after Molly or McCoy or Thomas or somebody she cannot order him as her Knight, but she can still ask the Final Favor. And since the terms of those Three Favors said that afterward he'd be entirely Free of all Sidhe influence, all obligation to Lea and Mab (by the technical wording), the theory is that it might negate bargains made after that including the Knighthood.
2)Tam Lin is a folk character that was mentioned as a previous Winter Knight, and if you read the tale through the lens of the Dresden Files, it seems to boil down to "actions taken at a Wellspring on Halloween won him free of the Fairy Queen's service and made him mortal again". It's incomplete and non-specific, but the pieces that are there sure fit the proper form.
Mira:
--- Quote from: Quantus on July 24, 2017, 02:19:20 PM ---What Snark said: Per WOJ the Mothers change by Abdication; Mother Summer has done so once in Human history, Mother Winter never has.
To the OP: There's been nothing official that I know of.
I do know of two theories currently that I (personally) think have any meat on them:
1)Harry's Bargains. Per WOJ, that third Favor is still in play, but largley moot because the Winter Knight thing basically gives her the ability to ask infinite favors. The theory goes that the Last Favor might be used in a case where Harry might need to be sent after somebody that, per the terms of his Knighthood Bargain, she cannot send him after, specifically a Loved one. So if she needs to send him after Molly or McCoy or Thomas or somebody she cannot order him as her Knight, but she can still ask the Final Favor. And since the terms of those Three Favors said that afterward he'd be entirely Free of all Sidhe influence, all obligation to Lea and Mab (by the technical wording), the theory is that it might negate bargains made after that including the Knighthood.
2)Tam Lin is a folk character that was mentioned as a previous Winter Knight, and if you read the tale through the lens of the Dresden Files, it seems to boil down to "actions taken at a Wellspring on Halloween won him free of the Fairy Queen's service and made him mortal again". It's incomplete and non-specific, but the pieces that are there sure fit the proper form.
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While all of that may be true, times are different now... There is the BAT to consider, Harry is also star born, I believe in time he will accept the real reasons why Mab wants him for her Knight and remain at that post until the great battle is over. So while fighting a hostile take over by the mantle will be an on going thing, Harry will soon realize if he doesn't already that he needs his aid in the coming fight.
Snark Knight:
--- Quote from: Quantus on July 24, 2017, 02:19:20 PM ---1)Harry's Bargains. Per WOJ, that third Favor is still in play, but largley moot because the Winter Knight thing basically gives her the ability to ask infinite favors. The theory goes that the Last Favor might be used in a case where Harry might need to be sent after somebody that, per the terms of his Knighthood Bargain, she cannot send him after, specifically a Loved one. So if she needs to send him after Molly or McCoy or Thomas or somebody she cannot order him as her Knight, but she can still ask the Final Favor. And since the terms of those Three Favors said that afterward he'd be entirely Free of all Sidhe influence, all obligation to Lea and Mab (by the technical wording), the theory is that it might negate bargains made after that including the Knighthood.
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Did Mab actually accept his demand for an exemption on having to kill a loved one? As I recall the passage, she initially said the Knight would kill whoever she damn well told him to. Did she ever explicitly concede that clause to him?
Quantus:
--- Quote from: Snark Knight on July 24, 2017, 07:21:13 PM ---Did Mab actually accept his demand for an exemption on having to kill a loved one? As I recall the passage, she initially said the Knight would kill whoever she damn well told him to. Did she ever explicitly concede that clause to him?
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Yup, the clauses he raised during the scene in Changes were all accepted; she certainly upheld all the other conditions (power and support to recover Maggie, etc). The various offered options she'd tossed out there in previous encounters were not though (like in DB she offered to wipe the remaining favors and answer his questions freely).
Quantus:
--- Quote from: Mira on July 24, 2017, 03:09:29 PM ---While all of that may be true, times are different now... There is the BAT to consider, Harry is also star born, I believe in time he will accept the real reasons why Mab wants him for her Knight and remain at that post until the great battle is over. So while fighting a hostile take over by the mantle will be an on going thing, Harry will soon realize if he doesn't already that he needs his aid in the coming fight.
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I dont disagree with any of that in particular, but I dont honestly see the Sidhe court surviving the BAT intact, so I can still see circumstances (and Needs) making some sort of Winter emancipation necessary. Look at it this way, the BAT is basically the only thing I can see that might drive Titania to fulfill her actual Purpose, and that would be the same sort of circumstance where Harry might want/need to get free of the Mantle.
OR, and this one is even more out there: we still dont know what Service the Knight owes the Mother, and it might not be too agreeable to Harry, even with the world in the Balance.
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