The Dresden Files > DF Spoilers
Harry should Dark Hallow Demonreach.
Shift8:
--- Quote from: jonas on July 21, 2017, 03:02:14 PM ---depends heavily on your definition of 'bad' power I suppose.... I don't think its' out of the question, I'm pretty sure he IS going to use it. But unless he's in a godlike stasis between Halloweens I just don't see it not altering him.
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Fair enough to be prudent of dangers, to be sure. I think he should take a wack at it though. Seems like a good way to dispose of Mab in a dumpster somewhere. It would also presumably destroy demon reach.
It is also worth wondering if Dresden would also inherit the powers from the island spirit or whatever as well.
jonas:
--- Quote from: Shift8 on July 21, 2017, 03:10:57 PM ---Fair enough to be prudent of dangers, to be sure. I think he should take a wack at it though. Seems like a good way to dispose of Mab in a dumpster somewhere. It would also presumably destroy demon reach.
It is also worth wondering if Dresden would also inherit the powers from the island spirit or whatever as well.
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that made me laugh too, maybe I'm punch drunk and should sleep soon, no?
Destroy demon reach or just make it mobile though? That's the question for me. I'd say the island spirit IS the mantle if there were to be one, it's already wrapped around his consciousness in much the same fashion, without physical distance to separate the two the differences become less so. DR wouldn't need to manifest, Harr'y would effectively be said manifestation.
Shift8:
--- Quote from: jonas on July 21, 2017, 03:15:42 PM ---that made me laugh too, maybe I'm punch drunk and should sleep soon, no?
Destroy demon reach or just make it mobile though? That's the question for me. I'd say the island spirit IS the mantle if there were to be one, it's already wrapped around his consciousness in much the same fashion, without physical distance to separate the two the differences become less so. DR wouldn't need to manifest, Harr'y would effectively be said manifestation.
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That makes we wonder if this was actually the purpose of demon reach. What if it isnt just a prison? What if it was compiled as some kind of power repository. I mean, we know for certain its literally the source of a ley line. What if the plan was to use the big nasties power agaisnt future big nasties? So instead of killing all this things in the reach, they were instead imprisoned to be used a power source. If not a DH, then some other method.
The the DH would be a great way to do it. And Harry has just the skull he needs to do it. And the reach conveniently is remote. And conveniently protected so that the ritual user cant be messed with.
Additionally, when the Gate keeper says is not Harry "time" this implies alot of foresight. He also seems to have a pretty good idea of when Harry might be able to use the power of DR. What if its what Harry is supposed to do in order to fight the outsiders?
Mr. Death:
--- Quote from: Shift8 on July 21, 2017, 02:45:42 PM ---Sorry, but broad generalizations about a wide range of separate and unrelated magic do not somehow merge into highly specific problems from Dresden in if he does a DH on DR. You can certainly speculate that they might causes problems based on experience with other magic, but asserting that it will happen in some specific manner is not a valid statement.
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Yes it does, because that's how evidence-based logic works.
From the sound of it, the only thing you'll accept as evidence is an instance of this specific thing happening, which is faulty at best.
It's like if we were talking about long falls. We're all saying, "Well, I fell 10 feet and I broke my ankle. A guy I know fell 20 feet and broke both legs. Therefore, a fall of 100 feet will do serious damage to you."
Meanwhile, you're saying, "No, you can't take those general things and apply them to the specific problem. You don't know someone who fell from 100 feet specifically, I can argue that you'll be perfectly fine after falling 100 feet."
Let's break it down again: Absorbing power from something else gives you traits of that something else. This is observed several times, across different methods, so we can logically conclude it is just something that happens when you absorb power no matter how you absorb it.
The more powerful the thing you absorb is, the more it will affect you. That's just plain logic.
The Darkhallow is absorbing power en masse.
Ergo, absorbing obscenely powerful things en masse through the Darkhallow is going to affect someone.
--- Quote from: Shift8 on July 21, 2017, 02:46:47 PM ---Not good enough is perfectly fine if what you are saying is not good enough. Everything you are saying simply implies the possibility of a problem. Not its certainty. To state a certainty you need specifics.
I am very much arguing in good faith. I am not trolling you. You cant just provide vague generalities and act as if they are cosmic proof of your highly specific assertions.
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Tautologies aren't going to get you anywhere. We're taking the well-established rules of the setting and applying them to the problem. Not "vague generalities." We're providing specific instances of people absorbing power and how it affects them, and you're ignoring the explicit, logical links.
You're the one proposing an idea that runs contrary to what we've observed and been told about the setting by several sources, author included. We shouldn't have to sit here trying to prove that gravity is a thing just because you want to argue that flapping your arms will let you fly.
dspringer1:
Weighing in on the "you are what you eat" argument --- I am definitely on the "it will affect you". Almost every instance of power granted has an impact on the personality of the person -- from winter power to using dark magic to breaking the laws of magic to fueling your power with anger to going vampire. All that dark energy would totally turn Harry majorly dark.
But I think you are missing other very critical criteria that would make Dark Hallow Demonreach a problematic idea.
1) Gods are not humans. No idea if the ritual would even work with non-humans.
2) Gods are not humans. Even if it could work, the gods are perfectly capable of guarding their power and NOT letting it be pulled out into the funnel. If the power is not in the funnel, it cannot be part of the darkhallow.
3) Gods have mantles. Not clear that mantles can transfer via darkhallow even if the individual (who is the god) could be killed and their native power absorbed by the darkhallow.
3) You would have to let the prisoners out before they could be consumed by the darkhallow. it would take these beings about 1 nanosecond to destroy harry, end the ritual and leave to destroy the world.
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