The Dresden Files > DF Spoilers
Harry should Dark Hallow Demonreach.
jonas:
--- Quote from: Shift8 on July 21, 2017, 02:07:29 PM ---Im not the one with the onus to prove it is a law. Im not the one making the assertion that it would do something. As the person with the positive assertion, the burden of proof is on you. And I am seeing know sources. Are you refering to clear cut absolute statements, or loose inference like the butters reference.
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you just asserted its a 'maxim', was gonna be nice about it but ok, prove it. Prove its a maxim. Prove it's not a metaphysical law.
You can't, I can't. But using Induction over deduction(a much more accepted form of theorizing) we can infer a majority of accurances where 'you are what you eat' is the rule applied.
Mr. Death:
This is a monumentally bad idea.
"You are what you eat" is a law in Dresden. Look at when Harry ate some of Kravos's power -- he took on his traits. Look at the WOJ about Goodman Grey and what would happen if he took enough of Harry's power -- he'd basically become Dresden.
In Dresden's verse, you do not gain godly power without fundamentally changing who and what you are. And if you're gaining that godly power by eating unholy nightmare monsters, you will become an unholy nightmare monster.
--- Quote from: Shift8 on July 21, 2017, 02:07:29 PM ---Im not the one with the onus to prove it is a law. Im not the one making the assertion that it would do something. As the person with the positive assertion, the burden of proof is on you. And I am seeing know sources. Are you refering to clear cut absolute statements, or loose inference like the butters reference.
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Proof: The text of the books and WOJ. They're both very clear that you do not gain that kind of power without being affected by the things you're consuming.
The assertion that Harry would be totally fine is the one that's contrary to everything we've been seen and told.
Shift8:
--- Quote from: Mr. Death on July 21, 2017, 02:12:38 PM ---This is a monumentally bad idea.
"You are what you eat" is a law in Dresden. Look at when Harry ate some of Kravos's power -- he took on his traits. Look at the WOJ about Goodman Grey and what would happen if he took enough of Harry's power -- he'd basically become Dresden.
In Dresden's verse, you do not gain godly power without fundamentally changing who and what you are. And if you're gaining that godly power by eating unholy nightmare monsters, you will become an unholy nightmare monster.
Proof: The text of the books and WOJ. They're both very clear that you do not gain that kind of power without being affected by the things you're consuming.
The assertion that Harry would be totally fine is the one that's contrary to everything we've been seen and told.
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You are taking general statements about very specific peoples powers and then applying them piecemeal nilly willy. That doesn't hold water.
You are what you eat is a wild generalization that can literally be anything from general wisdom statement to specifically true for some specific powers. You cant just go plastering it with specific assumptions to everything. That's just....preposterous.
jonas:
--- Quote from: Shift8 on July 21, 2017, 02:19:52 PM ---You are taking general statements about very specific peoples powers and then applying them piecemeal nilly willy. That doesn't hold water.
You are what you eat is a wild generalization that can literally be anything from general wisdom statement to specifically true for some specific powers. You cant just go plastering it with specific assumptions to everything. That's just....preposterous.
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--- Quote from: Induction --- the inference of a general law from particular instances
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need to start paying attention... and being nicer please. :)
Mr. Death:
--- Quote from: Shift8 on July 21, 2017, 02:19:52 PM ---You are taking general statements about very specific peoples powers and then applying them piecemeal nilly willy. That doesn't hold water.
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No, I'm taking evidence we've seen and been told directly about taking and absorbing power from one being to another and applying it to a suggestion that Harry take and absorb power from other beings into himself.
What's preposterous is ignoring all the evidence and WOJ and people directly telling Harry that even touching the power of Demonreach is a terrible idea, and saying everything would be fine.
Harry can't even do specific things with his own power without being affected by it. Every creature in Demonreach is vastly more powerful than Harry individually. And you think that Harry can absorb all of them without being affected by it.
That is just plain not how the world of Dresden has ever worked. You don't gain power as simple as plain knowledge without being affected by it.
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