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Better Guns for Dresden and Co.
Mr. Death:
So if I'm reading Quantus's post right, Shift8, you're using a WOJ where Jim is explicitly talking about why Harry's magical field does affect guns, to argue that Harry's magical field does not affect guns?
He is not saying Harry is wrong. He is saying there are other factors. He is saying, with direct and explicit certainty, that guns can be and will be fouled up by magic, just that it doesn't happen as often because of particular circumstances.
Shift8:
--- Quote from: Mr. Death on July 21, 2017, 04:33:14 PM ---So if I'm reading Quantus's post right, Shift8, you're using a WOJ where Jim is explicitly talking about why Harry's magical field does affect guns, to argue that Harry's magical field does not affect guns?
He is not saying Harry is wrong. He is saying there are other factors. He is saying, with direct and explicit certainty, that guns can be and will be fouled up by magic, just that it doesn't happen as often because of particular circumstances.
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Yet I am not stating the effect isn't real. Im stating its practically not all that important. Again, for all intents and purposes. Based on the use of guns in the DV, the murphonic effect is not a big enough problem to make a rational argument for not using more guns. Simple as that.
Quantus:
--- Quote from: Shift8 on July 21, 2017, 04:37:01 PM ---Yet I am not stating the effect isn't real. Im stating its practically not all that important. Again, for all intents and purposes. Based on the use of guns in the DV, the murphonic effect is not a big enough problem to make a rational argument for not using more guns. Simple as that.
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I think the last sentence of the WOJ is very specifically refuting that assertion, which was part of the forum post that sparked the WOj in the first place. It's not that it isnt a real concern, it is just that circumstances in the stories have not yet aligned to have it appear on stage yet.
Mr. Death:
--- Quote from: Shift8 on July 21, 2017, 04:37:01 PM ---Yet I am not stating the effect isn't real. Im stating its practically not all that important. Again, for all intents and purposes. Based on the use of guns in the DV, the murphonic effect is not a big enough problem to make a rational argument for not using more guns. Simple as that.
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Jim is saying, directly, that a wizard handling a gun in his hand and using it is likely to cause a malfunction. He lays out several reasons for that.
If I'm not mistaken, you're still arguing that wizards (i.e., the type of person Jim's WOJ says would have trouble with guns) should use guns (i.e., the items that Jim's WOJ just said wizards would have trouble with).
Do you not see the issue with your assertion here?
Shift8:
--- Quote from: Quantus on July 21, 2017, 04:41:28 PM ---I think the last sentence of the WOJ is very specifically refuting that assertion, which was part of the forum post that sparked the WOj in the first place. It's not that it isnt a real concern, it is just that circumstances in the stories have not yet aligned to have it appear on stage yet.
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Which is kind of my point really. If those circumstances haven't aligned, then they must be so specific as to not be much a a problem in general.
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