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Better Guns for Dresden and Co.
Quantus:
--- Quote from: groinkick on July 18, 2017, 05:00:47 AM ---I think that wizards would be less effective if their focus was split between guns, and magic. They wouldn't be as good with guns as the professional mercenaries hired by the supernatural community, and by focusing on guns they would be giving up their greatest advantage, magic.
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I dunno, I think the same logic could be applied to studying markmenship vs hand-to-hand combat, but both are valuable to a soldier.
--- Quote ---There is a saying that "you run when the plan fails" - Tremors movie. Well guns are what wizards use when the plan fails. Guns are basically a last ditch effort to survive.
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I have to disagree here, it's been stated in the books over and over that guns do not fall behind magic when it come to killing, that they are unarguably well-optimized instruments of death.
--- Quote ---That being said the White Council might be better off if they recruit the least magically talented people around the world (instead of ignoring them), and have them focus on traditional military training to help support the more magically gifted wizards.
That's how I see things anyways.
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Ya, because the Have-Nots already loved getting drafted into the Council's war, they are going to LOVE getting conscripted into their subordinate military forces :P
No, that's not something the council is going to do or anyone is likely to agree to; the only actual benefit of Council membership is actual full Membership. That is, however, exactly what Nic has done give or take a few Tongues. Mostly Take.
Kindler:
--- Quote from: Shift8 on July 18, 2017, 12:18:05 AM ---
I dont think it can really be argued that learning how to use a gun would somehow hinder the use of magic. Regular mortals IRL learn more than one skill in addition to using a gun. You can go to school for engineering and still be a special forces person. For the same reason you can play in the NBA and go to school for something useful. When you add in that wizards live for centuries, this becomes even more moot.
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I'd argue that this is true for the current generation and will be so for those following it, but that a big part of the reason why this isn't the case now is because Ebenezer, for example, grew up and fought in the age of muskets and blackpowder cannon. Yes, the puckle gun was a thing, but the idea of reliable, long-range, rapid-fire (read: faster than three shots per minute, the average for Von Steuben trained Colonial Regulars) guns is still relatively new, first showing up 160 years ago. Hell, McCoy still drives a '37 pickup. There are a couple of generations of wizards who are getting used to the idea, but they're mostly trained by those who aren't yet.
Best example is Carlos. The younger wardens get it, and they're arming up. I wouldn't be surprised if someone like, say, Butters figures out ways to combine guns and magic to get different effects. Harry's Winchester could be crafted and enchanted to function as a modified blasting rod, for instance—I don't see why it couldn't. Though likely a bull-pup design would work better, with a magazine in the stock to keep it farther away from the heat.
Anyway, old habits die hard, but the new generations are using more mixed approaches to combat.
Ulfgeir:
Given that wizards tend to mess up sensitive equipment, I sadly don't see them using things like night-vision googles or drones etc. If they were using firearms, well then it would be things like AK-47's which are built to be used in the most adverse conditions or sporting-rifles or pump-action shotguns. Simple, but reliable weapons.
/Ulfgeir
groinkick:
--- Quote from: Quantus on July 18, 2017, 01:10:54 PM ---I have to disagree here, it's been stated in the books over and over that guns do not fall behind magic when it come to killing, that they are unarguably well-optimized instruments of death.
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Against vanilla mortals. Supernatural creatures are made of tougher stuff.
Mr. Death:
--- Quote from: groinkick on July 18, 2017, 07:54:15 PM ---Against vanilla mortals. Supernatural creatures are made of tougher stuff.
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What's said in the books is that guns are so much overkill for killing humans that they're starting to be able to threaten supernatural creatures.
Guns absolutely fall behind magic when it comes to killing; it's just that they're catching up.
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