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wyltok:

--- Quote from: jamescagney22 on July 10, 2017, 08:51:03 PM ---Well Listen to Winds implied the Dine was a way of magic in this context. The full quote was "The boy almost took you and he doesn't even know the Dine much less the Old Ways." I thought this implied that the Blessing Way was separate or another form of the Old Ways whatever that is.
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I think this is an example of first mentioning a general thing, then a specific thing about the general thing. Like others said, "Diné" is the Navajo name for themselves, and the Blessing Way is one of their religious practices. Using the same phrase for a different context: "He doesn't even know baking, much less how to make an upside down pineapple pie."

A more clunky way of saying it would be "Harry doesn't know the correct Navajo rituals. He's never met a Navajo in the first place."

Quantus:

--- Quote from: wyltok on July 10, 2017, 09:36:18 PM ---I think this is an example of first mentioning a general thing, then a specific thing about the general thing. Like others said, "Diné" is the Navajo name for themselves, and the Blessing Way is one of their religious practices. Using the same phrase for a different context: "He doesn't even know baking, much less how to make an upside down pineapple pie."

A more clunky way of saying it would be "Harry doesn't know the correct Navajo rituals. He's never met a Navajo in the first place."

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That was my read. Something akin to a traditional Japanese person loosing a Sushi Cook-off to a Louisiana bumpkin that's never left their own state or even heard the word Sushi before. 

jamescagney22:
Well I don't think Harry mentioned anything specific about Navajo rituals his except limited knowledge about the skin-walker so I don't know how that analogy works in this situation, and Listen to Winds is an expert on various folk-lore so I do not think he would make an misleading statement, unless I am missing something? But in any case I do think that idea of faith magic as the blessing way is accurate I am not too sure about the Old Ways being arcane magic at least in the European sense of the word.

Quantus:

--- Quote from: jamescagney22 on July 10, 2017, 11:39:21 PM ---Well I don't think Harry mentioned anything specific about Navajo rituals his except limited knowledge about the skin-walker so I don't know how that analogy works in this situation, and Listen to Winds is an expert on various folk-lore so I do not think he would make an misleading statement, unless I am missing something? But in any case I do think that idea of faith magic as the blessing way is accurate I am not too sure about the Old Ways being arcane magic at least in the European sense of the word.

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Huh? Nonono, I was comparing LTW's wizardry magic to something Arcane, as Opposed to the Blessing Way that is a Holy Man faith-based thing.  I dont think the reference to the "Old Ways" is a specific school of magic or anything; I think he was just saying "Harry doesnt even know about the Culture, let alone the Secret Lore, and he was still able to give you a hard time; Imagine fighting somebody who actually knows your history and weaknesses." 

jamescagney22:

--- Quote from: Quantus on July 11, 2017, 01:35:42 PM ---Huh? Nonono, I was comparing LTW's wizardry magic to something Arcane, as Opposed to the Blessing Way that is a Holy Man faith-based thing.  I dont think the reference to the "Old Ways" is a specific school of magic or anything; I think he was just saying "Harry doesnt even know about the Culture, let alone the Secret Lore, and he was still able to give you a hard time; Imagine fighting somebody who actually knows your history and weaknesses."

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Well in hindsight I think the Old Ways are native magics as opposed to Hermetic style or Daiost mysticism or other shaman based magic systems as each part of the world has different traditions. Since Greco-Roman culture used writing more extensively as opposed to oral tradition I think that is why we know't here much about it.

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