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A Fistful of Warlocks (SPOILERS: FISTFUL OF WARLOCKS)
Anubissama:
--- Quote from: Zaphodess on July 08, 2017, 08:00:24 AM ---Another interesting thing was that Luccio said the zombies weren't very high quality. This indicates that Grevane was still new in the business of Necromancy. Or that the group felt confident enough to use the incident as a training experience for one of the new recruits.
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First I thought that it was Page (as the new recruit) that is doing the summoning but he is just the drummer. Later in the fight, Grevane redirects some zombies to the roof to attack her, so he was the summoner.
I guess he wanted to be able to throw some evocation around as well if needed? Since in Dead Beat, he summons full powered Zombies and it takes up to much of his energy that he can only attack with mundane weapons besides that.
--- Quote from: peregrine on July 08, 2017, 02:34:12 PM ---They had rifling in the 1700s. I can't think of any Wild West era guns that weren't rifled. Except for shotguns, of course. Handguns especially were rifled because it's easier to do on a shorter barrel.
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Okay, still feels unrealistic that a Vanilla Sheriff mowed down a 40+ hoard of zombies, especially when for a good part of it, he was out on the street and the hoard was reportedly approaching from both sides, at some point he should have been surrounded. Feels to nice of an ending simply, no one got hurt, and Luccio has a hot trail to pursue Kemmler (although that one is probably a trap).
This story gives Necromancers a bad rap!
jonas:
Do we know for sure the sheriff was vanilla and not a trained 'gunslinger' waiting on the dark tower come'th, lol? I've not read it, but simply your description of that event reminded me of a particular scene... and I"ve found when the description fits but the details are changed, amalgamation time! Both from elements within his story and his homages to pretty much every good story ever. Two of my favorites are (click to show/hide)In SmF when Harry gets pissed at what happened to Michael he channels the prince of saiyans for his next energy blast. Unleashing one very similar to Majin Vegeta's vs Buu. Always figured that as an insight to just how wrathful Harry felt in the moment.
And Stan.... poor Stan. He met the same fate as Aliens android, Bishop.
*if you know of a scene adapted to the DF, does that make it a pop culture reference for the list ??? ?
Anubissama:
He says he is a vanilla mortal. The only supernatural about him is that he is a Venatori, so he knows of the supernatural but is not part of it.
He had some Wards on the cell but either someone else did them for him or they were ritualistic in nature, still, the only thing they did was detect magic use and make a sound, so something probably any Vanilla can do with the right knowledge. He later confirms that he can't do anything against spells aimed at him, so he is just a knowledgeable Vanilla.
Something else I find interesting:
(click to show/hide)just as the Thule Society was more or less a long-time foe, using their resources to attempt to use supernatural powers to their own benefit.
Seems odd to me that the White Council allows open opposition to them, even by lightweights. Luccio says that the Thule Gesellschaft has Sorceress in them later on, so they would fall under the authority of the Council. In the supernatural world of politics, aperance is a big thing (even more so than in the vanilla world), allowing some would-be-sorcerers to be in opposition, even if they don't break the Laws feels unrealistic.
Arjan:
--- Quote from: Anubissama on July 09, 2017, 10:41:29 AM ---He says he is a vanilla mortal. The only supernatural about him is that he is a Venatori, so he knows of the supernatural but is not part of it.
He had some Wards on the cell but either someone else did them for him or they were ritualistic in nature, still, the only thing they did was detect magic use and make a sound, so something probably any Vanilla can do with the right knowledge. He later confirms that he can't do anything against spells aimed at him, so he is just a knowledgeable Vanilla.
Something else I find interesting:
(click to show/hide)just as the Thule Society was more or less a long-time foe, using their resources to attempt to use supernatural powers to their own benefit.
Seems odd to me that the White Council allows open opposition to them, even by lightweights. Luccio says that the Thule Gesellschaft has Sorceress in them later on, so they would fall under the authority of the Council. In the supernatural world of politics, aperance is a big thing (even more so than in the vanilla world), allowing some would-be-sorcerers to be in opposition, even if they don't break the Laws feels unrealistic.
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It was a secret society so their survival depended on how seriously the white council took them and how good they were at secrecy. The world is a big place and it is not like the white council had a lot of wardens running around, sending only one warden without backup into the unknown is not something a police force would normally do.
The white council is the all powerful omnipresent killer of kids but if you are a reasonably strong warlock and you know what you are doing you can hide from them for decades or even centuries.
Desden:
--- Quote from: Rasins on July 06, 2017, 06:37:14 PM ---Let's look at a similar situation.
Harry walks in and uses his little candle lighting spell to light a bunch of candles.
Then, one gets knocked over.
The place burns down and kill some mortals.
Harry is TECHNICALLY guilty of murder, but there would be no council, or cosmic consequences.
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I think it's more about the letter of the law and the way the magic is applied. If I cast fire on your face I have to believe in it and my right to do so for it to work, and thus I have killed with magic and broken the first rule.
If I cast fire on a candle and then use said candle to burn your bed I have broken no law of magic. I simply lit a candle. The rest was physics.
Moral I'm still guilty. Same as stabing someone through the neck with a sword. But by the law I'm clear
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