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Phydestrius:
So, it's kind of been established that any mortal being from the physical world has a soul, but a changeling isn't entirely mortal, so do they even get souls in the first place? And even then, when it comes to make "The Choice", whether to become fully Fae or fully mortal, what kind of effect would that have on their soul? I mean, if they became human their soul would change, but if they became fully fae, does that mean that their soul ceases to exist because they lose their free will? Does that count as their death? How would this get explained?

Also, I'm reasonably sure all of this is basic information, but I'm not sure.

Quantus:
Yes, they do.  They (eventually) loose them if they Choose their Fae side, or they become fully Human if they choose the Mortal side. Otherwise a former Changeling could not become a Knight of the court.  If they never become consciously aware of their Heritage then their Choice becomes a subconscious one, per WOJ.  The same is the case for a person Infected by the Red Court, they still retain their Souls until they Choose their Vampire side by Killing and Feeding the first time. 

A Notable exception to that is the White Court.  They are Born, never Turned, and retain their soul for their Lifetime (as much as a Mortal does, at least; there are philosophic arguments that a person can loose their soul via monstrous but mundane methods).  At one point hey are referred to as "Half-born", as an umbrella term for those with mixed Mortal and Immortal heritage.   

Rasins:

--- Quote from: Quantus on July 11, 2017, 08:17:34 PM ---Yes, they do.  They (eventually) loose them if they Choose their Fae side, or they become fully Human if they choose the Mortal side. Otherwise a former Changeling could not become a Knight of the court.  If they never become consciously aware of their Heritage then their Choice becomes a subconscious one, per WOJ.  The same is the case for a person Infected by the Red Court, they still retain their Souls until they Choose their Vampire side by Killing and Feeding the first time. 

A Notable exception to that is the White Court.  They are Born, never Turned, and retain their soul for their Lifetime (as much as a Mortal does, at least; there are philosophic arguments that a person can loose their soul via monstrous but mundane methods).  At one point hey are referred to as "Half-born", as an umbrella term for those with mixed Mortal and Immortal heritage.   

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I'm unconvinced that they lose their soul.

Then again we have to define our terms.  When I see "lose their soul" I see that they had one, and then it was gone.  either over time, or suddenly, doesn't matter.  It's like if you have an icecream and it gets taken from you, or it just melts away.  Either way, you no longer have it.

On the other hand, to Lose ones soul could mean that you still have (ARE?) a soul, but through your actions, it has been bequeathed to another (ie. Satan?).

Jim even said he wasn't sure if Mab still has her soul, suggesting that she could, but maybe not.  Not that it clarifies anything.;D

Quantus:

--- Quote from: Rasins on July 12, 2017, 07:24:16 PM ---I'm unconvinced that they lose their soul.

Then again we have to define our terms.  When I see "lose their soul" I see that they had one, and then it was gone.  either over time, or suddenly, doesn't matter.  It's like if you have an icecream and it gets taken from you, or it just melts away.  Either way, you no longer have it.

On the other hand, to Lose ones soul could mean that you still have (ARE?) a soul, but through your actions, it has been bequeathed to another (ie. Satan?).

Jim even said he wasn't sure if Mab still has her soul, suggesting that she could, but maybe not.  Not that it clarifies anything.;D

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Im using the capability to participate in a Soulgaze as the qualitative measure here, and it's specifically stated that Fae cannot. I understand that there is a WOJ theorizing that they might maintain some tiny fragments buried deep enough, but for all practical in-world purposes it's gone. 

And more broadly, while I know there is a lot of philosophic wrangling (both in world and around here) about the nature of the Soul, about it's implications and functions and whatnot.  But there is No Doubt Whatsoever that there is a Soul and who does and does not have one, because beings like Bob can just look at you and directly SEE it (to the point of identifying where individual chunks came from).  This is not an abstract, this is verifiable fact to the character. 

Rasins:

--- Quote from: Quantus on July 12, 2017, 07:30:09 PM ---Im using the capability to participate in a Soulgaze as the qualitative measure here, and it's specifically stated that Fae cannot. I understand that there is a WOJ theorizing that they might maintain some tiny fragments buried deep enough, but for all practical in-world purposes it's gone. 

And more broadly, while I know there is a lot of philosophic wrangling (both in world and around here) about the nature of the Soul, about it's implications and functions and whatnot.  But there is No Doubt Whatsoever that there is a Soul and who does and does not have one, because beings like Bob can just look at you and directly SEE it (to the point of identifying where individual chunks came from).  This is not an abstract, this is verifiable fact to the character. 
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Well, now .... I agree that it exists.  That's what GS was all about.

Now about fae ... I believe they do still have their entire soul.  I believe that it's nature has changed once they become Fae, but they still have it, and since it is so different from that of a Human Mortal wizard, they just can't match up enough to have a "soul gaze", if that is even a good name for it.

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