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Smaug, Mr. Ferro... and Dollar Signs in the Eyes
Quantus:
--- Quote from: Rasins on July 07, 2017, 05:17:52 PM ---So, she was intending on trading a Sword of the Cross, for the Athame. What she got was the Athame + a taint.
Question is, did that make the Athame more, or less and equal to Ammoricius?
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I dont think that really changes it's value calculation in any worthwhile way. The need to trade things of equal value is fundamental but still subjective. Since she did not know of the Taint it didnt figure into her calculations; and all bargains are about capitalizing on the difference between your own estimation of value and whomever you are bargaining with. Had she known, it would have severely reduced the "value" of the athame to Lea, given what it cost her to Undo said taint. Unless she knew of an actual Use for a tainted Item, or some other person that she might be able to trade it to at a profit.
LordDresden2:
--- Quote from: Quantus on July 07, 2017, 07:27:05 PM ---I dont think that really changes it's value calculation in any worthwhile way. The need to trade things of equal value is fundamental but still subjective.
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Exactly. The Sidhe cannot knowingly lie, but they can spout falsehoods all day if they believe them. Likewise, they have to make equal deals, within the bounds of their knowledge and understanding. If Lea (for whatever deranged reason) believed that my ink pen was as valuable as a gold brick, she'd trade me the ink pen for the gold brick just fine.
LordDresden2:
--- Quote from: Quantus on July 07, 2017, 04:59:02 PM ---Yup, it formerly belonged to Morgan LaFey, and had gained Power through accumulated use/exposure:
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What is the Black Athame, and what is it’s relation to Medea’s Bodkin?
The Black Athame was Morgan La Fay’s athame. That was the one that got traded around in Grave Peril… at the vampire costume party. Well an Athame is the original knife that was used in magic, and while they aren’t necessarily magical themselves, if you involve them in enough really cool big things that are going on, they start gaining their own sort of power and their own sort of awareness. Which is not to say they become intelligent or anything, but they become very extremely dangerous tools. And that one was a very, very dangerous tool, on a level with Ammoracchius, which is why it got traded that way. Medea’s Bodkin is another Athame that is far older, and is used more classically documented witches. The ones who actually survived falls of several empires there –you still hear about them- Also a very bad news kind of implement, just so you know.
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Which makes me wonder just what badness Morgan le Fey was into that amplified her blade to such an extent, and how that badness affects Harry.
kazimmoinuddin:
In the arryns stories, there were three weapons. A sword, dagger and spear. If the sword of the cross is Excalibur, I wonder if the athame is the dagger.
Rasins:
--- Quote from: LordDresden2 on July 08, 2017, 02:55:26 AM ---Exactly. The Sidhe cannot knowingly lie, but they can spout falsehoods all day if they believe them. Likewise, they have to make equal deals, within the bounds of their knowledge and understanding. If Lea (for whatever deranged reason) believed that my ink pen was as valuable as a gold brick, she'd trade me the ink pen for the gold brick just fine.
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--- Quote from: Quantus on July 07, 2017, 07:27:05 PM ---I dont think that really changes it's value calculation in any worthwhile way. The need to trade things of equal value is fundamental but still subjective. Since she did not know of the Taint it didnt figure into her calculations; and all bargains are about capitalizing on the difference between your own estimation of value and whomever you are bargaining with. Had she known, it would have severely reduced the "value" of the athame to Lea, given what it cost her to Undo said taint. Unless she knew of an actual Use for a tainted Item, or some other person that she might be able to trade it to at a profit.
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Right, right. Value is in the eye of the beholder.
Did Mab take the Athame in payment for curing Leah, or did she take it for some other reason?
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