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Smaug, Mr. Ferro... and Dollar Signs in the Eyes
Warden John Marcone:
--- Quote from: Rasins on July 06, 2017, 03:18:23 PM ---If it was the Ramps who cursed the gift. Personally, I don't' believe that Bianca knew the Athame was tainted.
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Wasn't there a WoJ that said Bianca's gifts were to the people she considered her enemies? I'd have to go hunting for it, it's the ghost of a glimmer of a hazy remembrance.
If I'm wrong, then you make a good point. I didn't even think of that.
LordDresden2:
--- Quote from: Quantus on July 06, 2017, 08:07:13 PM ---Concur. She was clearly not privvy to the Red Court/Black Council schemes in Storm Front, given how she reacted to one of her's being targeted. Given that I doubt they'd (the LotON) have trusted her with the Big Picture even if they (the Red Court) were actually aware of Nemesis or Cowl's schemes (Im assuming here that Cowl at least was 100% aware of it all).
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After I posted earlier, I re-read that bit of Grave Peril. Interestingly, Bianca herself seemed very surprised by Harry's reaction to her scheme, when he started blasting away and summoned up the shades of their former victims, Bianca seemed stunned, amazed, shocked that he would risk war over Susan.
But Bianca was never the sharpest fang, if you know what I mean. I'm more convinced than ever that she didn't really have a clue what was going on, even with her own Court. The Red Court was ready for war, and ready to use Harry and Susan as the pretext to start it, but I'm not sure Bianca understood that that was what was going down. I think she'd been manipulated by the higher ups in her own Court to think that this was all about sticking it to her personal enemies, including Harry Blackstone Copperfield Dresden.
My guess is that Ortega was there, in part, to make sure Bianca did what they needed her to do and didn't upset the applecart.
Now, regarding Ortega...
--- Quote from: Rasins on July 06, 2017, 06:34:47 PM ---Given that Arianna was probably a member of the black council/Circle, and that Duke Ortega was technically her vassal, I could totally see her ordering him to go, offer this to Winter, and he was clueless.
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Yeah, if anybody among the Reds had some idea of what was happening at that party, it was probably Arianna. She was likely planning a coup against the Red King, and she was apparently at that infamous 'dinner party' many years ago that might have been when all this was set in motion.
But even if Ariana knew some of it, I doubt she knew it all, or anything close to it.
--- Quote from: Warden John Marcone on July 06, 2017, 11:05:52 PM ---Wasn't there a WoJ that said Bianca's gifts were to the people she considered her enemies? I'd have to go hunting for it, it's the ghost of a glimmer of a hazy remembrance.
If I'm wrong, then you make a good point. I didn't even think of that.
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It works either way.
For ex, Bianca probably doesn't think of Ferro as her enemy. It's hard to imagine Bianca having Ferro as an enemy and still being around long enough to be a headache for Harry, Michael, and Thomas. Yet Ferro got a gift.
But Bianca probably thought her 'special' gifts were for her enemies, like Harry's tombstone. She might not even have given the athame a thought.
Rasins:
--- Quote from: LordDresden2 on July 07, 2017, 03:54:18 AM ---But Bianca probably thought her 'special' gifts were for her enemies, like Harry's tombstone. She might not even have given the athame a thought.
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I agree that Bianca wasn't the brightest star in the heavens.
That being said, we know that Leah desired the Athame to augment her power to fight their enemy. We all assumed at the time she was referring to Summer, but now I wonder if she meant Nemesis and the outsiders.
That being the case, did Leah know that the Athame was tainted? And did she think she might be able to overcome the nemfection?
Again, if that's the case, when she traded Ammoricius to Bianca for the Athame, did she really believe that the Athame WITHOUT the taint, was an equal to the sword? If she knew about the taint, then the Athame AND the nemfection together equals the Sword of Love, not just the Athame alone.
Quantus:
--- Quote from: Rasins on July 07, 2017, 04:43:34 PM ---I agree that Bianca wasn't the brightest star in the heavens.
That being said, we know that Leah desired the Athame to augment her power to fight their enemy. We all assumed at the time she was referring to Summer, but now I wonder if she meant Nemesis and the outsiders.
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To the best of my knowledge she never said "Enemy" (just confirmed its not in GP, SK, PG or GS), and the implication Id always gotten was the same as Mab's statement in DB, that Lea had Challenged her (Mab's) authority. Fwiw Leah does very much consider Mab an Enemy, and vice versa, just a reliable Enemy with a good working relationship, a "Gadara".
--- Quote ---That being the case, did Leah know that the Athame was tainted? And did she think she might be able to overcome the nemfection?
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No, she did not know until later. She stated as much pretty directly in GS during the graveyard conversation.
--- Quote ---Again, if that's the case, when she traded Ammoricius to Bianca for the Athame, did she really believe that the Athame WITHOUT the taint, was an equal to the sword? If she knew about the taint, then the Athame AND the nemfection together equals the Sword of Love, not just the Athame alone.
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Yup, it formerly belonged to Morgan LaFey, and had gained Power through accumulated use/exposure:
--- Quote ---2011 Naperville Signing
What is the Black Athame, and what is it’s relation to Medea’s Bodkin?
The Black Athame was Morgan La Fay’s athame. That was the one that got traded around in Grave Peril… at the vampire costume party. Well an Athame is the original knife that was used in magic, and while they aren’t necessarily magical themselves, if you involve them in enough really cool big things that are going on, they start gaining their own sort of power and their own sort of awareness. Which is not to say they become intelligent or anything, but they become very extremely dangerous tools. And that one was a very, very dangerous tool, on a level with Ammoracchius, which is why it got traded that way. Medea’s Bodkin is another Athame that is far older, and is used more classically documented witches. The ones who actually survived falls of several empires there –you still hear about them- Also a very bad news kind of implement, just so you know.
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Rasins:
--- Quote from: Quantus on July 07, 2017, 04:59:02 PM ---Yup, it formerly belonged to Morgan LaFey, and had gained Power through accumulated use/exposure:
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So, she was intending on trading a Sword of the Cross, for the Athame. What she got was the Athame + a taint.
Question is, did that make the Athame more, or less and equal to Ammoricius?
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