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WK Mantle or Lawbreaker taint?
LordDresden2:
--- Quote from: Mira on July 11, 2017, 11:01:08 AM ---
Let's add Wardens to the list while we are at it. What of Morgan? He was the executor for the White Council.. Ordered under the Laws or not, he still killed.. Was he protected from the taint or not? What of those youngsters that were still salvageable, but executed anyway because no one would step up for them? What of Langtry and those who ordered their deaths knowing they were salvageable?
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Magically, no taint, because they didn't use magic to carry out the executions, they used a sword. You can kill with a gun, a knife, a nuke, your bare hands, a garden weasel, whatever, and there's no First Law issue and no cosmic/magical taint from it.
Morally it's cloudier because the whole issue is morally cloudy.
LordDresden2:
--- Quote from: Quantus on July 11, 2017, 12:38:15 PM ---RE. the Chitzen Itza stuff.
I strongly suspect that he's in the clear in cosmic terms, and that being the case he's got a strong defense on the legal side. The Human Sacrifices were killed long before by others, and the fact that the Red King was planning to do it himself and still was willing to delegate the final sacrifice to random guards at one point leads me to believe that /that/ part of the ritual requires no personal magic. Though the argument could probably be made that the same is the case for the BR outsider ritual curse, which I expect to Taint (though maybe only because of the particular nature of it's power source?). Had it required a Magical user to trigger, I think he'd be in more trouble; I doubt the transition to Soulessness (the Bar of Humanity Im using) would be instant, and I know Harry views it as a Murder. In much the same way I think Harry would get Taint for killing Thomas, where Carlos likely would not (I think Carlos used Lara's Soulgaze to define Wamps as Monsters to himself).
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Slight disagreement, I don't think it's about your own definitions. Carlos might get less taint than Harry, but what matters ultimately is not what Carlos believes, but what the Cosmos is built around. If White Vampires are objectively human, (as I suspect), there's probably always some taint involved in killing one with magic, regardless of personal beliefs. Though knowingly doing it would almost surely make it worse.
Zaphodess:
I like Thomas too, but I think the universe considers him a monster, so killing him wouldn't leave a magical taint.
Quantus:
--- Quote from: Zaphodess on July 12, 2017, 07:14:19 AM ---I like Thomas too, but I think the universe considers him a monster, so killing him wouldn't leave a magical taint.
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I dont disagree, but I do think Killing somebody you honestly consider your Own Brother with your Own Magic will bring Taint, almost entirely regardless of what they technically are. Especially since you can literally give the (a piece of) a Soul if you care about them enough (ie the Lash stuff).
ebliss1:
--- Quote ---I dont know about this, I think it's a part that merits further clarification... Bear with me here:
While the legal aspect of the Laws do not necessarily line up with the universal function of them and of the Taint, I think we can rely on them to be based on a certain amount of accumulated Truth. If the killing formerly human monsters with Magic caused the same Taint, I think it would quickly become a common ailment among the Wardens, to the point where the flaw in the Law's enforcement would eventually be corrected. So that's the best I have for in-world evidence.
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I would posit that the magic and Harry did NOT kill the half-ramps. It killed the parasite, and the parasite ended up killing the human half because it had integrated itself into the human so thoroughly. It was the parasite half that had essentially killed the human half - rendering it unable to live on its own - not Harry's spell. For the younger half-ramps, they could survive the trauma of losing the ramp half because they were still "alive enough".
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