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Outsider Magic
groinkick:
--- Quote from: Anubissama on June 25, 2017, 02:22:31 PM ---I'm sorry but Cowl is specifically implied NOT to use Outsider Magic. Making him the exception amongst advance Dark Magic users.
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When he fought Harry he didn't use it. He was the one who handed off Nemesis to Leah, and probably Ferro. So just because he wasn't using it when he tangled with Harry doesn't mean he doesn't use it.
Quantus:
--- Quote from: jamescagney22 on June 23, 2017, 07:19:18 PM ---So Vittorio Malvora and to some extent Lord Raith have used Outsider magic but how it is used varies differently, enhancing the formers power, and removing magic on the latter. He Who Walks Behind is the source for both of these so is there a reason for the contradictory powers? And on another note Cowl has been said to use Outsider magic but I cannot remember, where did he use it in White Night somewhere or is this just speculation I took as fact?
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There are three(ish) separate effects that I think we've seen:
The first is the Ritual from BR fueled by He Who Walks Behind (and/or his Boss, w/HWWBh as the standard proxy to be sent). This is notable because anyone can use it on any given day, regardless of affiliation.
The second is Papa Wraith's unexplained immunity to Magic, which we strongly suspect but cannot specifically prove is Outsider fueled.
The third is the stuff that we saw Vitto, and later Sharkface doing. Lash described the attacks Vitto was throwing "as drawn directly from the mind of the Outsider", and then at the end of CD we see the cloud of smoke that presumably is HWWB4 flee from a meatsuit wearing semi-sentient rags or something. There is a WOJ that strongly (if somewhat jokingly) implies that Vitto was possessed by He Who Walks Before, and that vitto was HWWB4's meatsuit in CD. In the WOJ (which Im failing to find a link for at present) somebody asked Jim if Vitto was the meatsuit Sharkface was wearing, and his response was something to the effect of "oh, that would have been coo- I mean, YES! That was my intent the the time..." It was all in a very joking tone, so it's as solid a statement to some. Regardless though I think those are closer to actual possession by an outsider entity, as opposed to a sponsored magic.
Snark Knight:
--- Quote from: jamescagney22 on June 23, 2017, 07:19:18 PM ---So Vittorio Malvora and to some extent Lord Raith have used Outsider magic but how it is used varies differently, enhancing the formers power, and removing magic on the latter. He Who Walks Behind is the source for both of these so is there a reason for the contradictory powers? And on another note Cowl has been said to use Outsider magic but I cannot remember, where did he use it in White Night somewhere or is this just speculation I took as fact?
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I'm not at all sure Vitto's sponsor/possessor was HWW-Behind. And if you're talking about Lord Raith's protection, I'm not certain Behind was responsible for that either. The only thing connection there that we can be certain of is that Lord Raith's ritual curse called out to Behind to get the killings done in exchange for the sacrifice.
Either of the others could have been connected to Before, the third Walker (assuming Nemesis isn't already the third one), the Lord of Slowest Terror that Raith's ritual mentioned as Behind's boss, or some other powerful Outsider besides the Walkers.
Mira:
--- Quote from: Snark Knight on June 26, 2017, 05:40:58 PM ---I'm not at all sure Vitto's sponsor/possessor was HWW-Behind. And if you're talking about Lord Raith's protection, I'm not certain Behind was responsible for that either. The only thing connection there that we can be certain of is that Lord Raith's ritual curse called out to Behind to get the killings done in exchange for the sacrifice.
Either of the others could have been connected to Before, the third Walker (assuming Nemesis isn't already the third one), the Lord of Slowest Terror that Raith's ritual mentioned as Behind's boss, or some other powerful Outsider besides the Walkers.
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I do think Lord Raith is protected or possessed by an Outsider though, we just don't know who as of yet.. I've made WAGS before that there might even be a connection between the Hunger demon and Outsiders.
Second Aristh:
--- Quote from: Quantus on June 26, 2017, 05:02:15 PM ---There are three(ish) separate effects that I think we've seen:
The first is the Ritual from BR fueled by He Who Walks Behind (and/or his Boss, w/HWWBh as the standard proxy to be sent). This is notable because anyone can use it on any given day, regardless of affiliation.
The second is Papa Wraith's unexplained immunity to Magic, which we strongly suspect but cannot specifically prove is Outsider fueled.
The third is the stuff that we saw Vitto, and later Sharkface doing. Lash described the attacks Vitto was throwing "as drawn directly from the mind of the Outsider", and then at the end of CD we see the cloud of smoke that presumably is HWWB4 flee from a meatsuit wearing semi-sentient rags or something. There is a WOJ that strongly (if somewhat jokingly) implies that Vitto was possessed by He Who Walks Before, and that vitto was HWWB4's meatsuit in CD. In the WOJ (which Im failing to find a link for at present) somebody asked Jim if Vitto was the meatsuit Sharkface was wearing, and his response was something to the effect of "oh, that would have been coo- I mean, YES! That was my intent the the time..." It was all in a very joking tone, so it's as solid a statement to some. Regardless though I think those are closer to actual possession by an outsider entity, as opposed to a sponsored magic.
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That WoJ was a twitter reply to Griff
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