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Nemesis, Collaboration, and Sarissa...
Mira:
--- Quote from: Zaphodess on June 19, 2017, 10:40:14 AM ---Look at Sarissa's own words on why she is in Mab's debt:
Assuming she's not lying, just masking the truth in Fae-fashion, she can hardly talk about Nemesis. As far as we know, Nemesis is not congenital and neither can it be dormant for about 200 years. What she has inherited is her sidhe-half, being a changeling. She talks about it as a form of dementia. That doesn't sound like she wanted it. But neither has she chosen to become human. My theory is that Mab didn't let her. She's certainly capable of manipulating her own daughter into a deal that forced her to play along.
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I think that Mab should have told Harry the full truth about the Enemy for starters. But that is for another topic.
We know that the mantle will travel to the most suitable host when something happens to the host for lack of a better word, it resides in. Mab may not have prepared either of her daughters as well as she might have, something happened to the Lady and poor Maeve was the nearest suitable candidate and got stuck with it. For the first hundred or so years she was fine with it, did her job, but there might have been aspects of it she didn't understand or know. Not unlike Molly didn't know, the bit about boyfriends and sex being forbidden... That would create resentment, especially when she observed her sister enjoying herself. I can see that resentment then turn into rebellion on Maeve's part making her vulnerable to becoming infected.. I think there is evidence to underscore this, look at Maeve's court in Summer Knight.. She wasn't infected at that time, but she was very twisted emotionally and her court reflected that.
Snark Knight:
I find it pretty hard to fathom the relationship between Mab and Sarissa. On the one hand, Mab was supposedly close enough with her that Maeve was jealous. On the other hand, she dangled Sarissa like bait to see whether Harry would rape her under the mantle's influence - Sarissa was evidently concerned about being abused, and didn't seem to think mentioning the familial relationship would protect her.
With that kind of split behaviour from Mab, it's hard to figure out whether she was ever in any real danger from the Redcap or not (even before getting into that he expected her to be overthrown shortly be Maeve anyway).
Mira:
--- Quote from: Snark Knight on June 19, 2017, 03:00:39 PM ---I find it pretty hard to fathom the relationship between Mab and Sarissa. On the one hand, Mab was supposedly close enough with her that Maeve was jealous. On the other hand, she dangled Sarissa like bait to see whether Harry would rape her under the mantle's influence - Sarissa was evidently concerned about being abused, and didn't seem to think mentioning the familial relationship would protect her.
With that kind of split behaviour from Mab, it's hard to figure out whether she was ever in any real danger from the Redcap or not (even before getting into that he expected her to be overthrown shortly be Maeve anyway).
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I don't think Mab was ever all together honest with any of her Ladies.. She took care to prepare Molly but omitted what she was preparing her for, and certainly didn't say a word about forced virginity... I doubt she mentioned that to her daughters either... I think that might be a reason why she was hoping for Sarissa to replace Maeve, she had seen what had happened and had an understanding at least of what being Lady meant.
LordDresden2:
--- Quote from: Gman on June 19, 2017, 07:56:16 AM ---I view things differently. I think that Sarissa was not infected with Nemesis.
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I agree completely. My speculation is that she might be one of the bad guys on her own, rather than because of Nemesis. Part of the Circle, or something on that order.
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She was either following Mab's orders not to tell Harry she is Mab's daughter or she wanted Harry to see her for herself and not Mab's daughter.The Fae or those related to the Fae don't like giving out info for free. Mab also did not tell Harry who Sarissa really was. The Red Cap I think was Nemesis infected or at least loyal to Maeve rather than Mab. I think he thought Maeve was going to replace/kill Mab eventually so he is being loyal to the new boss. I think Nemesis can sort of lie mostly dormant in the host and do some subtle influencing without the host being really aware like what happened to Aurora. Nemesis can when necessary take over and make the host a sort of puppet. The host being possessed and can fight Nemesis but would likely loose. Remember what happened to Cat Sith and the Leasidhe. Cat Sith fought and lost to Nemesis and the Leasidhe fought and got Mab's help to defeat it or at least contain it.
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Yeah, but it's pretty clear that Sarissa is not what she presented herself to Harry as, whatever else she might be. Part of my point is that it's easy to see Nemesis everywhere, when in fact it's likely that most of Harry's hidden foes are not Nemfected, though they may be working with it.
LordDresden2:
--- Quote from: Snark Knight on June 19, 2017, 03:00:39 PM ---I find it pretty hard to fathom the relationship between Mab and Sarissa. On the one hand, Mab was supposedly close enough with her that Maeve was jealous. On the other hand, she dangled Sarissa like bait to see whether Harry would rape her under the mantle's influence - Sarissa was evidently concerned about being abused, and didn't seem to think mentioning the familial relationship would protect her.
With that kind of split behaviour from Mab, it's hard to figure out whether she was ever in any real danger from the Redcap or not (even before getting into that he expected her to be overthrown shortly be Maeve anyway).
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If the Redcap was sane, in what passes for the 'right mind' of a Winter Fae, it's hard for me to picture her being in much danger. As nambkas noted above, unless the Redcap is freaking insane, it's going to be reluctant to harm Mab's daughter.
Now, I suppose there's an outside chance that the Redcap didn't know about the blood connection, but that strikes me as improbable.
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