The Dresden Files > DF Spoilers
Nemesis, Collaboration, and Sarissa...
LordDresden2:
--- Quote from: namkcas on April 03, 2017, 08:33:51 PM ---I think you are underestimating how much Sarissa is part of the conspiracy to kill Maeve and make Sarissa the Winter Lady. The whole book is written essentially under one context and Harry (and us) take that to be the truth. But go back to events and remember that she is Mab's daughter.
Let's roll it back to the very start of the book. Sarissa never says, "Mom" to Mab. When she talks about her relationship with Mab, she doesn't outright lie but does not tell the truth. Then she shows up at Molly's place. I want to remind you at this point in the book Harry thinks she is a young, Mortal woman. Under 30, maybe under 25. The Redcap would know that she is Mab's daughter. He likely pre-dates Mab. So, do you think he is really going to KILL Mab's daughter? How would that go for him? More likely she let her self be captured by him and sent to Harry. I suspect all her hiding is not her fear of Harry, but instead fear that he will recognize her as Maeve's twin. The next event is the "team" crossing the circle at the top of the island. There is no way to force her into the circle and make her stay. She went into the circle willingly. The plan was to have Maeve killed and pop the Winter Lady's Mantle into Sarissa. Mab knew it AND so did Sarissa. Look at her argument with Maeve. She clearly knew that Maeve was nFected. She compared Maeve to Lea and how Mab could cure Maeve.
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We tend to assume that the people working against Harry and the good guys are Nemesis-infected or Nemesis-influenced, and obviously some of them, like Maeve, are so. But it's not clear that Aurora, for example, was suffering from exactly the same thing Maeve was. There was no indication that Aurora could actually lie by commission, for ex.
Likewise, there are people working for the other side who almost surely are doing so of their own free wills (or as close as the supernaturals have in some cases). They may or may not be allies, but they probably do work together sometimes (and maybe against each other at other times). I strongly doubt Cowl is Nemfected, for ex.
Regarding Sarissa, see nambkas' comments above. Sarissa looks to be far more than what Harrry took her to be in Cold Days. But just as a speculation, suppose Sarissa is actually Circle, or working for/with them (presumably even unknown to her mother).
That might seem improbable, but it might also explain a few things. For ex, Maeve hated being Winter Lady, apparently. She apparently also hated Sarissa, though that may have been jealousy over her relationship with Mab, and/or her personal freedom.
But how did Maeve end up as Winter Lady in the first place? Why Maeve and not Sarissa? From Mab's POV, Sarissa looks like the better candidate. More self-disciplined, more serious. I would think that Mab would have preferred Sarissa to be the Winter Lady. Yet somehow Maeve ended up with that 'honor'.
But if Sarissa was with the bad guys, even back then, of her own free will, it might make sense to let Maeve have the title and the power, since that way Sarissa retains her freedom of action and her semi-immortality. She can always become Winter Lady later, if need be something can be arranged to happen to Maeve...
If Maeve was somehow forced into taking the Winter Lady status, that might also have contributed to her hated for her sister.
Just speculating...
Mira:
--- Quote ---If Maeve was somehow forced into taking the Winter Lady status, that might also have contributed to her hated for her sister.
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I need to go back and reread, but that was the impression I got, whether true or not, Maeve felt Mab favored Sarissa. Thus she Maeve was forced to live the cold life of the Winter Lady, while Sarissa went off to do as she pleased.. What was worse, Mab would go off and do mother/daughter things with Sarissa, but not her..
LordDresden2:
--- Quote from: Mira on June 19, 2017, 05:21:00 AM --- I need to go back and reread, but that was the impression I got, whether true or not, Maeve felt Mab favored Sarissa. Thus she Maeve was forced to live the cold life of the Winter Lady, while Sarissa went off to do as she pleased.. What was worse, Mab would go off and do mother/daughter things with Sarissa, but not her..
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But we don't know how that came about. My point is that we can already be reasonably sure Sarissa is good at being at least passively deceptive, because the image of herself she presented to Harry in Cold Days was highly misleading (see nambkas' quote above). I'm simply wondering if that might extend to being one of the bad guys. If that were the case, Maeve's problem might even have been set up in the way of a distraction to keep their mom occupied.
I would be interested to see if there was ever much interaction in the past between Sarissa and Aurora.
Gman:
I view things differently. I think that Sarissa was not infected with Nemesis. She was either following Mab's orders not to tell Harry she is Mab's daughter or she wanted Harry to see her for herself and not Mab's daughter.The Fae or those related to the Fae don't like giving out info for free. Mab also did not tell Harry who Sarissa really was. The Red Cap I think was Nemesis infected or at least loyal to Maeve rather than Mab. I think he thought Maeve was going to replace/kill Mab eventually so he is being loyal to the new boss. I think Nemesis can sort of lie mostly dormant in the host and do some subtle influencing without the host being really aware like what happened to Aurora. Nemesis can when necessary take over and make the host a sort of puppet. The host being possessed and can fight Nemesis but would likely loose. Remember what happened to Cat Sith and the Leasidhe. Cat Sith fought and lost to Nemesis and the Leasidhe fought and got Mab's help to defeat it or at least contain it.
Zaphodess:
Look at Sarissa's own words on why she is in Mab's debt:
--- Quote ---"I ... have a form of congenital dementia," she said. "I watched what it did to my older sister and ..." She shuddered. "Doctors can't help me.
Mab can.
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Assuming she's not lying, just masking the truth in Fae-fashion, she can hardly talk about Nemesis. As far as we know, Nemesis is not congenital and neither can it be dormant for about 200 years. What she has inherited is her sidhe-half, being a changeling. She talks about it as a form of dementia. That doesn't sound like she wanted it. But neither has she chosen to become human. My theory is that Mab didn't let her. She's certainly capable of manipulating her own daughter into a deal that forced her to play along.
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