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Are the Mothers immune to iron?
Quantus:
--- Quote from: Rasins on August 24, 2017, 08:36:56 PM ---Regarding the Raksasa - we don't know if the fallen were involved. We do know that fallen were in the middle east (Not far from the Raksasa's stomping grounds) in Small Favor (I think it was SmF). So, there could have been some rileing up there.
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That was Skin Game, much later. The Rakshasa has been mentioned twice; once as a thing the Council Handled (cristos distinguished himself then) and once as an offhand mention of a normal case that Capt Jack's office was handling. Still doesnt line up chronologically, though some have specualted that time on that side of things might be wonky.
Also, a Rakshasa is a hindu thing so a decent distance from Iran. Unlike a bunch of other things in the Hindu side of things, it does not appear that the Rakshasa has the persian roots that typically connects it to iranian regions
--- Quote ---As to how they are connected.... isn't Capt Jack and crew part of the Cosmic Defense Force?
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OOOOH, I see where I lost you. No, what I meant by the Cosmic Defence Force is all those super-powerful beings that seem to have been given specific roles in the defense of the Local Universe. In my mind this includes Mab/Winter as the Gate Guardians, Vadderung as the Plan B Preparation force for the inevitable day that said defenses fail, and Hades as the Keeper of the Armory.
While I would expect anyone being managed by Uriel to have a similarly critical and/or specific purpose, we have no idea what it might be so Im not really including them for now. I also tend to view Uriel as operating on a separate/higher plane, one with more Multiversal awareness (because I think there is only the one Uriel across the multiverse).
jonas:
--- Quote from: Serack on June 20, 2017, 04:32:27 PM ---Quantus has already mentioned it, but IMO the teeth represent different roles she caries, and my theory is that the Iron Teeth roll isn't a farie one.
There is precedent for this kind of thing in WoJ on Vadderung, which Quantus also mentioned.
I believe it's also possible that Mother Winter flat out isn't vulnerable to iron, but at a minimum, she has certain rolls or mantles she inhabits that aren't.
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Which means at some point she collected up every horsemen's role... and the Loom of Lachesis.. Which I always thought ya know, Jim was rushed in the end of SK meant he included it there but decided it wasn't right to be there thematically for a different reason. Then literally between reading and writing this I had another horrifying thought. What if between SK and the next time Harry goes to the cottage it's actually been handed out to a new person who fits the bill? We directly saw one instance of MW handing out something because it was what was required.
Also that's a double negative isn't it?
Quantus:
--- Quote from: jonas on August 25, 2017, 07:27:47 AM ---Which means at some point she collected up every horsemen's role... and the Loom of Lachesis.. Which I always thought ya know, Jim was rushed in the end of SK meant he included it there but decided it wasn't right to be there thematically for a different reason. Then literally between reading and writing this I had another horrifying thought.
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Huh? I see the loom connection, with her being one of the fates that operates it, but the Horsemen? And what are you saying was rushed in (or out of) SK?
jonas:
--- Quote from: Quantus on August 25, 2017, 12:46:54 PM ---Huh? I see the loom connection, with her being one of the fates that operates it, but the Horsemen? And what are you saying was rushed in (or out of) SK?
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She has the teeth of all 4 horsemen in SK on her mantle, one perfect set for famine, one rotted set for.... well, let me go check. I can't remember all of them offhand.
When he finished SK his story about that time is he was severely rushed getting the last bits in.(i'd have no idea where that is, it's more of a story so I don't think it ever made it as a woj, didn't seem directly important) I always assumed he had Lachesis Loom in the corner but later decided it was a hasty decision he later decided to leave out of future cottage visits.
Quantus:
--- Quote from: jonas on August 25, 2017, 05:58:41 PM ---She has the teeth of all 4 horsemen in SK on her mantle, one perfect set for famine, one rotted set for.... well, let me go check. I can't remember all of them offhand.
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I dont recall hearing that theory before, but you know I think I really like it! Id been associated the metal teeth with her identity as Baba Yaga, who is also known as Old Iron Teeth, but I never had an explanation for the others
One looked simple enough, all white and even. Death?
The next was rotted-looking, with chipped incisors and a broken molar. Famine?
The next set had all pointed teeth, stained with bits of rusty brown and what looked like rotten bits of flesh stuck between them. Pestilence?
The last was made out of some kind of silvery metal, shining like a sword. War?
--- Quote ---When he finished SK his story about that time is he was severely rushed getting the last bits in.(i'd have no idea where that is, it's more of a story so I don't think it ever made it as a woj, didn't seem directly important) I always assumed he had Lachesis Loom in the corner but later decided it was a hasty decision he later decided to leave out of future cottage visits.
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Ah, I get it you are talking about the Loom and Spinning wheel mentioned in the corner of the Cottage in SK. We've only had the two visits to the Cottage and the majority of the miscellany of the place was not described in the second visit. But given that the second visit /did/ serve to confirm that the Mothers are in fact also the Morai (or part of them) which directly ties them to said Loom and Spinning wheel, I wouldnt go so far as to call it regret on Jims part or a reversal. Just lean scene description?
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