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Are the Mothers immune to iron?
Rasins:
--- Quote from: Quantus on August 23, 2017, 06:00:41 PM ---I see the Not Lying to them as the best "Letter of the Law" way to enforce a "Do Not infringe on their Free Will" Mandate, especially when combined with their innate Bargain/Obligation natures. As long as they dont force themselves on a mortal (as opposed to bargaining with them) and they dont objectively Lie, then anything that follows could be laid at the feet of the Mortal in question, no?
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Absolutely. But that wouldn't be enough to require them to not lie. You can lie and not abrogate one's free will, and you can tell only the absolute truth absolutely abrogate free will.
But I get what you are saying.
Quantus:
--- Quote from: Rasins on August 23, 2017, 07:18:27 PM ---Absolutely. But that wouldn't be enough to require them to not lie. You can lie and not abrogate one's free will, and you can tell only the absolute truth absolutely abrogate free will.
But I get what you are saying.
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Per Uriel in GS, Im not entirely sure that is the case, at least not for Supernatural beings that are part of the Cosmic Defense Force (IE those with Cosmic Roles which I believe also come with Cosmic Rules). Per that it sure sounds like Lying will always constitute an attack on Free Will, and I cant think of a counter-example. Without Lying and also without being able to mess with a person that has not previously Agreed to something, I dont see any remaining avenues for abrogating a person's Free Will.
Rasins:
--- Quote from: Quantus on August 23, 2017, 07:28:40 PM ---Per Uriel in GS, Im not entirely sure that is the case, at least not for Supernatural beings that are part of the Cosmic Defense Force (IE those with Cosmic Roles which I believe also come with Cosmic Rules). Per that it sure sounds like Lying will always constitute an attack on Free Will, and I cant think of a counter-example. Without Lying and also without being able to mess with a person that has not previously Agreed to something, I dont see any remaining avenues for abrogating a person's Free Will.
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The only ones we've actively seen the Chicagatory police involved with were breeches that the fallen made. Specifically Harry's having been whispered the 7 words.
I'm not disagreeing with you, I'm just not seeing the connection.
Quantus:
--- Quote from: Rasins on August 24, 2017, 07:36:24 PM ---The only ones we've actively seen the Chicagatory police involved with were breeches that the fallen made. Specifically Harry's having been whispered the 7 words.
I'm not disagreeing with you, I'm just not seeing the connection.
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Well, in the case of the Chicagotory Police Force that's Not true, Id say. We know of exactly two cases they have been involved it, one was Harry and I suspect by Uriel's personal involvement was a special case. The Other is the Raksasa, which as far as I know has no relation to Fallen. One data point for and one against does not establish any particular pattern, just possibilities.
But, How is any of that related to to topic of Lying vs Free Will? ???
Rasins:
--- Quote from: Quantus on August 24, 2017, 07:41:18 PM ---Well, in the case of the Chicagotory Police Force that's Not true, Id say. We know of exactly two cases they have been involved it, one was Harry and I suspect by Uriel's personal involvement was a special case. The Other is the Raksasa, which as far as I know has no relation to Fallen. One data point for and one against does not establish any particular pattern, just possibilities.
But, How is any of that related to to topic of Lying vs Free Will? ???
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Regarding the Raksasa - we don't know if the fallen were involved. We do know that fallen were in the middle east (Not far from the Raksasa's stomping grounds) in Small Favor (I think it was SmF). So, there could have been some rileing up there.
As to how they are connected.... isn't Capt Jack and crew part of the Cosmic Defense Force?
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