The Dresden Files > DF Spoilers
What is a Saint? (Series Spoilers)
Rasins:
--- Quote from: jonas on July 06, 2017, 08:24:30 PM ---That might be the distinctive quality there though. Are they effected more by Belief and worship or disbelief that they are simply fictional? I'd wager the former effects them much more than the later. As one has a greater amount of, well faith if nothing else, applied to it.
Commercialized as santa is we turn around and tell our kids he's fake and nobody has any strong emotional ties to these new age Hades stories. He's not scary or awe inspiring or any other evocative emotion that might actually have some sort of magical juice tied to it. He's just a tropey bad guy who usually facilitates releasing real monsters. Bet the Kraken is getting bigger these days lol.
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Perhaps since Hades IS, Belief in the newer versions of him don't require a change in him. However something like Santa, since that is a mantle and not an actual being (any more), it's more subject to change based on belief?
jonas:
--- Quote from: Rasins on July 07, 2017, 05:05:09 PM ---Perhaps since Hades IS, Belief in the newer versions of him don't require a change in him. However something like Santa, since that is a mantle and not an actual being (any more), it's more subject to change based on belief?
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I like it, I really like it. It might actually work perfect and be applicable to other examples.
Quantus:
--- Quote from: jonas on July 07, 2017, 05:12:59 PM ---I like it, I really like it. It might actually work perfect and be applicable to other examples.
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I like it as well, but currently it would require us to make entirely uninformed guesses as to where the Line between Mantle and Original Host is, and which mantled characters we know are /not/ the actual originals. Vadderung is likely not the first Odin (Im starting to wonder if he wasnt the original Merlin before getting a promotion), but could easily be the first St Nic, and if he were a Changling originally could be the original Kringle as well. We dont actually know a thing about Hades or whether he's the original or not (a mantle-pass during the greco-roman evolution would makes sense, for example). The only ones that we know for certain arent their various Originals are all the Fae Queen Mantels except Mother Winter.
jonas:
--- Quote from: Quantus on July 07, 2017, 05:46:11 PM ---I like it as well, but currently it would require us to make entirely uninformed guesses as to where the Line between Mantle and Original Host is, and which mantled characters we know are /not/ the actual originals. Vadderung is likely not the first Odin (Im starting to wonder if he wasnt the original Merlin before getting a promotion), but could easily be the first St Nic, and if he were a Changling originally could be the original Kringle as well. We dont actually know a thing about Hades or whether he's the original or not (a mantle-pass during the greco-roman evolution would makes sense, for example). The only ones that we know for certain arent their various Originals are all the Fae Queen Mantels except Mother Winter.
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Uninformed isn't an optimal word here, even you used educated guesses just now ;)
The main thing that makes me think Hades is original is his discussion with harry on Persephone and his mordite crown. But the first one isn't sure because eventually he would believe he was Hades but, that doesn't seem the same as having the actual memories, otherwise Lily wouldn't be quite so ignorant. Second one is technically a theory based on a theory, I admit.
*the Greco-Roman thing, greek he was Hades, roman he was Pluto. could be same being, different name. Could be like the Ramps, a poser trying to steal his thunder. Could be all the greek gods became Nfected and their new persona's earned them new names... isn't guesswork fun!?
Quantus:
--- Quote from: jonas on July 07, 2017, 05:54:49 PM ---Uninformed isn't an optimal word here, even you used educated guesses just now ;)
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"Educated" implies data, and we have none. :)
Regarding Hades and his story about Persephone: dont forget that one of the main characters of that story is in fact 6 people at present, I wouldnt put too much literal weight on the Rockwellian tone of it.
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