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On Nemesis and Why it can't / doesn't infect Humans
knnn:
Good point. The sculpture vs picture metaphor Harry uses very much suggests your reading (both for the Walkers and Mab).
I guess I always felt the Mab's defense of the Gates was against similarly-weighted opponents. At the very least, this vastly increases the amount of "computing power" the Outsiders potentially have, even if they are constrained by amount of power they can project onto our "flat" 3d world.
Quantus:
--- Quote from: knnn on June 09, 2017, 05:30:38 PM ---Good point. The sculpture vs picture metaphor Harry uses very much suggests your reading (both for the Walkers and Mab).
I guess I always felt the Mab's defense of the Gates was against similarly-weighted opponents. At the very least, this vastly increases the amount of "computing power" the Outsiders potentially have, even if they are constrained by amount of power they can project onto our "flat" 3d world.
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I imagine that the Outsiders are the real Adversary that beings like Uriel have to face off against, and that just like the forces of the Inside, they come in varying levels of Power and existence. I wouldnt discount the possibility that the forces on the outside of the Outer Gates are (for lack of a better phrase) the same sort of 2D creature as the Fae they are fighting them, and that Outsiders of that fodder level are creatures being grown/captured from universes where the Outsider have more (or total) sway, presumably like the Sleepers wanted when they came here. Even if the ultimate goal is the complete dissolution of the Multiverse, it seems their MO to take pre-existing Insiders and corrupt them for their purposes. Actually, that description matches the Sidhe equally well.
knnn:
--- Quote from: Quantus on June 12, 2017, 06:41:53 PM ---I imagine that the Outsiders are the real Adversary that beings like Uriel have to face off against,
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Thing is, I don't think we've ever see any angelic forces fighting directly against the Outsiders. I mean (as far as I remember), you've got Michael at the end of PG, Nicodemus' "blinking" when he hears about Hellfire at AT (and some of the stuff he says in SG) and (if you buy into the theory) Rafael-Demonreach.
Now granted the whole Outsider threat was only explicitly stated in the last few books so its not impossible that we haven't seen the whole picture, but given that a whole angel is given the sole job to protect the possibly dying Forthill, you'd think Harry would have run across a few hints of their existence at the continual war at the Gates.
I guess it I just haven't have gotten "that vibe" so far, though of course it might be Harry's misunderstanding of the situation.
Quantus:
--- Quote from: knnn on June 12, 2017, 07:25:23 PM ---Thing is, I don't think we've ever see any angelic forces fighting directly against the Outsiders. I mean (as far as I remember), you've got Michael at the end of PG, Nicodemus' "blinking" when he hears about Hellfire at AT (and some of the stuff he says in SG) and (if you buy into the theory) Rafael-Demonreach.
Now granted the whole Outsider threat was only explicitly stated in the last few books so its not impossible that we haven't seen the whole picture, but given that a whole angel is given the sole job to protect the possibly dying Forthill, you'd think Harry would have run across a few hints of their existence at the continual war at the Gates.
I guess it I just haven't have gotten "that vibe" so far, though of course it might be Harry's misunderstanding of the situation.
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I picture it a little less of a literal battle at that level, though to be clear I am saying that the Outer Gates are simply one of several Fronts in the war, and that Angels (or at least those of Archangel level) are fighting it on a much different level than the much lower, more literal, and most importantly more /local/ battle. A great analogy I once heard (couldnt say were) is that their battle is more like a Chess board: just because either side could "flip the table" and end the game at any time doesnt negate the value or importance of them both sitting down and attempting to Win The Game.
Also, fwiw, I have a strong suspicion that Mab's "Executioner" mode is directly related to Angels; since she almost perfectly resembles the Angel of Death we saw in GS, it makes me think that once upon a time, an Angel of Death might have met its end on the Stone Table.
knnn:
--- Quote from: Quantus on June 12, 2017, 08:41:27 PM ---Also, fwiw, I have a strong suspicion that Mab's "Executioner" mode is directly related to Angels; since she almost perfectly resembles the Angel of Death we saw in GS, it makes me think that once upon a time, an Angel of Death might have met its end on the Stone Table.
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That might just be because of human (or Harry) perception.
I don't think I like the idea of sacrificing an Angel on the Stone Table; it doesn't quite fit. As Bob says "different wavelengths". And from a technical point of view, how would you give equal power to both sides? Remember that the Queen in charge of the Table at the time gets the power.
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