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How Harry would do the Dark Hallow in Changes wag
LordDresden2:
--- Quote from: Cozarkian on July 18, 2017, 06:13:58 PM ---The Erlking doesn't have free will, so it doesn't matter how smart he is or whether he knew the darkhallow was happening. He was summoned to lead the hunt in Chicago and had no choice but to do so, even if it means his death.
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That doesn't necessarily follow. Even if he has no choice but to lead the Hunt, he can presumably lead it away from ground zero as easily as he can toward it. Maybe, in extremis, even lead it through Faerie to somewhere else.
Quantus:
--- Quote from: peregrine on July 19, 2017, 03:23:14 AM ---Yeah. I'm just arguing with the idea that the Erlking must show up and stick his head through the noose, risking his death just because he lacks Free Will.
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I get that's your argument, I just dont understand it. Lacking Free Will just means that he cannot even conceive of changing his fundamental nature and so will never just decide that "Hunting is Boring" or that "Things deserve to Live" or some such. But it doesnt make him a Bad Hunter, which (by his own description in Changes) he would be if he heedlessly charged into danger th3e way you describe. With the exception of the Summoning itself, which is described as a sort of imposed OCD and requires that he appear, he is not compelled to do anything else.
peregrine:
By "arguing with" I mean "arguing against." I agree with you. I disagree with Cozarkian.
Cozarkian:
--- Quote from: peregrine on July 18, 2017, 09:26:02 PM ---I disagree slightly. Lack of Free Will means he can't go against his nature. It doesn't mean he has to do whatever anyone tells him to do. Depending on what's going on, his sense of self preservation may overrule his job as leader of the Hunt. He did after all throw the fight with Harry in Cold Days.
Also, he wasn't summoned to lead the hunt, he was specifically summoned NOT to lead the hunt.
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He was able to throw the fight with Harry but he wasn't able to simply redirect or stop the hunt. And Harry used a ritual to call forth the Erlking as a leader of the hunt, it doesn't really matter what Harry's subjective intent was. Objectively, Harry knew that if the Erlking broke his circle there would be a hunt.
Quantus:
--- Quote from: peregrine on July 19, 2017, 05:10:02 PM ---By "arguing with" I mean "arguing against." I agree with you. I disagree with Cozarkian.
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Sorry, my mistake :-[
--- Quote from: Cozarkian on July 19, 2017, 05:26:48 PM ---He was able to throw the fight with Harry but he wasn't able to simply redirect or stop the hunt. And Harry used a ritual to call forth the Erlking as a leader of the hunt, it doesn't really matter what Harry's subjective intent was. Objectively, Harry knew that if the Erlking broke his circle there would be a hunt.
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Not trying and not Able are wildly different. He (and kringle, who might have actually been the one leading the hunt) NEEDED Harry to take it over, which is the whole reason they threw the fight; "redirecting or stopping the hunt" would have buggered that up entirely and negated the whole point of the subterfuge.
Of course he was going to Hunt on Halloween if summoned to the Mortal World. By the sound of CD he does that every year. But being summoned doesnt force him to suddenly become a BAD Hunter, which this would be by his own definition.
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