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How Harry would do the Dark Hallow in Changes wag
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--- Quote from: Snark Knight on June 22, 2017, 02:50:32 PM ---Are we sure the Erlking realizing what was going on after the fact didn't cause him to take it down a notch?
I mean, he is a Fae - he can't just entirely write off a grudge. But he found an excuse to give Harry an abeyance on acting on it, and then eventually "hunted" him in such a way as to actually help him. That's a pretty big switch from threatening to destroy Harry on the spot when he was initially trapped
Initially, Harry gave the Erlking a pretty poor explanation by saying that he'd trapped him to stop humans from suffering and dying, rather than that he was trying to interrupt freaking necromancers from summoning the Erlking elsewhere to eat his hunters and maybe him as well. I'm pretty sure the Erlking either figured out the bigger picture or was told by Mab by the time he came back and told Harry he would spare him that night.
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Worthwhile question. He says in DB he's letting Harry go because harry's too beat up to be a fun hunt, and because Harry pleased him with the summoning of Sue (See spoiler below for exact phrasing). Im not sure I see much wriggle room for a hidden "Thank you for saving my bacon", but what say you:
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--- Quote ---"Daring. Arrogant. It pleases me." He tilted his head. "And you are poor game at the moment. Because of that, and because you pleased me with your calling of the old hunter, this night you may go free.
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--- Quote from: Rasins on June 22, 2017, 02:12:38 PM ---I'd say it depends on how the transfer is made. If the Erlking was killed on the stone table, would his mantle cease to exist? As opposed to him being just killed on Halloween by ... say ... a bullet to the head.
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We're talking about the DB Darkhallow though, not the Table. Regarding the Table there's a WOJ where he implies the table would indeed eat the mantle (of the Summer Knight, in that case) and give the other court it's /Power/ specifically, rather than the Mantle itself. See below for exact (lightly frustrating) phrasing.
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--- Quote from: ballplayer72 on February 24, 2007, 05:42:52 PM ---i am fairly certain, but not positive, that it is not possible to hold both Mantles at once. Also i do not think that holding both was what Slade was planning. Slade and the Summer Lady were planning on taking the Summer Knight out of the equation, and thus causing a war. During this war, the Summer Lady would be able to take Lily, the follower of Summer that she put the Mantle on, along with the Unraveling, and sacrifice her for Winter on the Stone Table, thus giving Winter the Energy that went along with the Knight's Mantle, not the Mantle itself. At least that was how i interpreted it. The Stone Table doesnt transfer the actual thing that is Sacrificed on the Table from Summer to Winter and vice versa, but the energy and power that it holds.
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Finger. Nose.
Jim :)
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--- Quote from: Quantus on June 22, 2017, 06:46:58 PM ---We're talking about the DB Darkhallow though, not the Table. Regarding the Table there's a WOJ where he implies the table would indeed eat the mantle (of the Summer Knight, in that case) and give the other court it's /Power/ specifically, rather than the Mantle itself. See below for exact (lightly frustrating) phrasing.
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Right. I'm not arguing about the table. I'm saying we never saw the DH completed, and we really don't know what it does nor how it does it from a power transfer perspective.
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--- Quote from: Rasins on June 23, 2017, 03:52:59 PM ---Right. I'm not arguing about the table. I'm saying we never saw the DH completed, and we really don't know what it does nor how it does it from a power transfer perspective.
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Oh, well in that case I disagree since we have several WOJ's describing it.
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--- Quote from: Quantus on June 26, 2017, 12:20:47 PM ---Oh, well in that case I disagree since we have several WOJ's describing it.
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We have WOJ's describing how the Dark Hallow works?
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--- Quote from: Rasins on June 28, 2017, 06:26:50 PM ---We have WOJ's describing how the Dark Hallow works?
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Sure. We have these two:
--- Quote ---5. cowl with darkhallow - really? just a bunch of spirits...
If he'd succeeded, he'd have had the collective power of all of those supernatural beings and then some. He'd have been clearly stronger than the Ladies, and a full-on equal to Mab. I mean, why do you think the Erlking was summoned as part of that ritual? Because that's how the big E got so boss in the first place. :)
For that matter, how do you think the Mothers and Queens and Ladies established their original base of power? That big old sacrificial, power-sucking stone table in Tir na noth isn't there for its primitive decorative aesthetic.
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--- Quote ---Why doesn't cowl do the darkhallow thing on a remote island or in the middle of the sahara desert or something...same with hag. just a question that's been bothering me...
Cause you need people around to fuel the fire. :) Had Cowl been successful, his ascension would have exterminated every source of life for several miles--and the more who died, the more elevated he would have become. Think of them as a big old batch of human sacrifices.
The hag's ritual was a far more primitive version of Kemmler's rite, and wouldn't have done nearly as much for her as the Darkhallow would have for Cowl--but it still would have sparked off massive violence, plague, ill-fortune and general chaos for miles all around.
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