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Quantus:

--- Quote from: Rasins on June 21, 2017, 07:22:29 PM ---Q - I think there is a difference. 

I think you are right that the ErlKing was brought in to raise more hunter spirits to be eaten.

However, I believe that had it stuck around, he too would have been eaten, not just killed, by the darkhallow.  I think his power (and mantle) would have gone to the person who ate the DH.

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But then it's not a New Mantle.  It's just a Hostile Takeover of an existing one, with some extra Power as a Cheery on top.   

Rasins:

--- Quote from: Quantus on June 21, 2017, 08:35:24 PM ---But then it's not a New Mantle.  It's just a Hostile Takeover of an existing one, with some extra Power as a Cheery on top.

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I'd say it depends on how  the transfer is made.  If the Erlking was killed on the stone table, would his mantle cease to exist?  As opposed to him being just killed on Halloween by ... say ... a bullet to the head.

Snark Knight:

--- Quote from: Quantus on June 08, 2017, 07:31:27 PM ---Besides, if the Darkhallow had put the Erlking in danger, wouldnt that have negated the Erlkings beef with Harry, or at least attracted the Hunt's attention enough for them to have joined Sue in some Zombie stomping?

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Are we sure the Erlking realizing what was going on after the fact didn't cause him to take it down a notch?

I mean, he is a Fae - he can't just entirely write off a grudge. But he found an excuse to give Harry an abeyance on acting on it, and then eventually "hunted" him in such a way as to actually help him. That's a pretty big switch from threatening to destroy Harry on the spot when he was initially trapped

Initially, Harry gave the Erlking a pretty poor explanation by saying that he'd trapped him to stop humans from suffering and dying, rather than that he was trying to interrupt freaking necromancers from summoning the Erlking elsewhere to eat his hunters and maybe him as well. I'm pretty sure the Erlking either figured out the bigger picture or was told by Mab by the time he came back and told Harry he would spare him that night.

Rasins:
You know, I never even connected that The Erlking could have sensed the hunting Harry was doing, and in looking into that hunt, figured out that HE (the Erlking) was one of the targets of the Necromancer's hunt, and skedaddled.

groinkick:

--- Quote from: Quantus on June 21, 2017, 08:35:24 PM ---But then it's not a New Mantle.  It's just a Hostile Takeover of an existing one, with some extra Power as a Cheery on top.

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Good chance the Mantle wouldn't go to Harry but that any other forms of power he had would.  For example if he had been a powerful wizard before.  The Mantle may itself escape and find the next suitable host.

Also he ascended via a similar ritual.  Much of the power may be unbound, but only some of it is Mantle like.  Like Kringle, Vadderung.  Is Vadderung a Mantle?  I don't know but he's very powerful, and has a lot more free will.

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