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Lara-Nemesis-Oblivion War
LordDresden2:
--- Quote from: nedserD C B yrraH on June 27, 2017, 04:06:25 PM ---What if the only things that are subject to the Oblivion war are things of the DV. Outsiders wouldn't get elimnated but any Dark Horror dreamed up by man could thus be erased, letting the focus return the real problem. These would/could have been around as far back as man feared the dark and its unknown terrors. If it happens to be an Outsider inspired eldritch that crossed into the DV plane of the MV it simply gets shunted back, not destroyed.
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All the same logical contradictions, meta-problems, etc. are still there.
peregrine:
--- Quote from: jonas on July 02, 2017, 03:53:33 AM ---Makes one wonder if Thomas isn't a 'traitor' because of his venatori work?
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To whom? The White Court? He goes after competitors to the White Court, to reduce predator pressure on their prey.
jonas:
--- Quote from: peregrine on July 02, 2017, 12:50:26 PM ---To whom? The White Court? He goes after competitors to the White Court, to reduce predator pressure on their prey.
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To those things hanging on a thread from true oblivions doorstep mostly. Things whose true forms and names are lost to time itself but whom still keep a foothold in reality by reinventing themselves. Things like white court vampires and descendants of the greek gods of love and war. that sort of broad stuff.
Quantus:
--- Quote from: jonas on July 02, 2017, 01:17:53 PM ---To those things hanging on a thread from true oblivions doorstep mostly. Things whose true forms and names are lost to time itself but whom still keep a foothold in reality by reinventing themselves. Things like white court vampires and descendants of the greek gods of love and war. that sort of broad stuff.
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And why would he have any responsibility to them that he might somehow "betray"? He has responsibilities to Family, to Love, and to his Court. He can be their enemy without betraying them.
Also, fwiw, the White Court as a fundamentally Mortal (IE still have Souls and Free Will) group of "half-born" wouldnt be subject to Oblivion.
jonas:
--- Quote from: Quantus on July 07, 2017, 04:39:04 PM ---And why would he have any responsibility to them that he might somehow "betray"? He has responsibilities to Family, to Love, and to his Court. He can be their enemy without betraying them.
Also, fwiw, the White Court as a fundamentally Mortal (IE still have Souls and Free Will) group of "half-born" wouldnt be subject to Oblivion.
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The white court are probably closer to Outsiders then even the Ramps, the ramps demon comes through and finds a place here. Wamps straddle the line with their demon stuck on the other side, if how Thomas's demon looks in soul gaze is any indication. That's the part that makes them half born, yea? Of course that takes as a given that Oblivion is just the final step of Outside.
And I'm pretty sure anything that has any 'NN' blood or whatever you'd like to call is subject to also being forgotten even if unlikely because the main proponents are mortal themselves, case in point, wizards.
Heck though, lets go one level deeper.(can't remember which is which so 'Vlad' refers to daddy, Dracula to son) Vlad 'son of the dragon/son of the devil'(Lucifer=snake=dragon without wings=fallenangel.) has a son. Now we know angels have a one choice switch, either plus or minus. I think when Drac was trying to impress his father he accidently hit a switch on his 'big jumbo jet' that he didn't know either, what it was, or what it would do. He let the creature in the mirror through, became it even. Became the opposite mirage of himself, he fell.
So the black court and the white are connected by both being part divine/angelic(/outsider?) and the black court would have more reason to call Thomas a traitor because they still see themselves as part of the same stuff.
*kid screamed in my ear the whole time I wrote that, so if it seems choppy, it was.
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