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Lara-Nemesis-Oblivion War
Quantus:
--- Quote from: Rasins on May 31, 2017, 05:05:44 PM ---Q,
I've been thinking about this and I'm having a hard time buying the effects of black magic being a form of Nemfection.
I get it that using black magic can drive someone ... off center (like the Korean kid in PG), but that could be something similar to going crazy from a syphilis infection.
We know Nemesis is an outsider with an intelligence and a purpose. We know that Nemesis can vary the amount of control it exerts over one it has infected. We don't know if it takes a volunteer to be an Aurora or Maeve type of infection, or if it's really more like a Cat-Sith infection, and is only masked.
We saw the Leansidhe fighting it, but we don't know how much influence it had before she realized her error and asked for help.
I'm thinking Nemesis is an infection and has a scale of control from Aurora (barely whispering in her hear), through Maeve (probably talking like Lash did), to total full on possession like Cat-sith.
I just don't see it as a general virus like Syphilis.
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I dont either, I just think it is aware and watching and is ready to Pounce. I see it as very much a targeted sort of thing and still an actual consciousness as described. Im simply imagining a much bigger (or Deeper, per Harry in CD) sort of entity, one that is on constant watch for when a mortal practitioner abuses Reality enough to create this crack and is ready to exploit it. There arent actually that many mortal practitioners out there on the absolute scale, too many for a council of hundreds to police world-wide, but occasionally one that has both the strength and the inclination will warp reality on it self so hard (and/or so often) that a crack forms, then gets wider and wider with use (think how ice destroys concrete) until it's enough for Nemesis to get something through and start more actively pushing (taint), and eventually enough to move from pushing to steering (Nemfection).
The big cluebat for me is the Blackstaff; If Winter's whole purpose is Anti-Outsider, its most powerful (theoretically) artifact should be similarly targeted. Meanwhile it makes no sense to me for the true use and Power of Mother Winter's personal Artifact to be to solve a problem that s unique to mortal kind and being a moral issue is not something that would even register to a Fae. If I could find another explanation for the Blackstaff Id be all over it.
Rasins:
--- Quote from: Quantus on May 31, 2017, 05:26:54 PM ---I dont either, I just think it is aware and watching and is ready to Pounce. I see it as very much a targeted sort of thing and still an actual consciousness as described. Im simply imagining a much bigger (or Deeper, per Harry in CD) sort of entity, one that is on constant watch for when a mortal practitioner abuses Reality enough to create this crack and is ready to exploit it. There arent actually that many mortal practitioners out there on the absolute scale, too many for a council of hundreds to police world-wide, but occasionally one that has both the strength and the inclination will warp reality on it self so hard (and/or so often) that a crack forms, then gets wider and wider with use (think how ice destroys concrete) until it's enough for Nemesis to get something through and start more actively pushing (taint), and eventually enough to move from pushing to steering (Nemfection).
The big cluebat for me is the Blackstaff; If Winter's whole purpose is Anti-Outsider, its most powerful (theoretically) artifact should be similarly targeted. Meanwhile it makes no sense to me for the true use and Power of Mother Winter's personal Artifact to be to solve a problem that s unique to mortal kind and being a moral issue is not something that would even register to a Fae. If I could find another explanation for the Blackstaff Id be all over it.
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See, I'm seeing the Blackstaff is supposed to be in a Starborn's hands, and he's supposed to do something "black magicy" with it. It will help him survive the spell, while at the same time eat all of the outsiders.
LIKE
Casting a Darkhallow-like spell while AT the outer gates, and using all of the lives there, including those of Winter's forces AND all the attacking outsiders, to gain the power to cut off our reality from the outside completely. Thus sealing the gate permanently, but saving the caster.
This would balance the fairies and remove the need for defenders.
peregrine:
Who says that's the Blackstaff's "True" use and power?
You can use a rifle to hammer in a nail, but that doesn't mean that's the true use.
Quantus:
--- Quote from: peregrine on June 01, 2017, 02:54:22 AM ---Who says that's the Blackstaff's "True" use and power?
You can use a rifle to hammer in a nail, but that doesn't mean that's the true use.
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I dont think we've seen /all/ it can do persay, but the WOJ are thus far all relatively direct (if not legallese locked in) that it just does that one thing. In light of that I expect new revelations will more be an expansion of it's current ("protective") function rather than a wholly new Power, I figure we'll find out it's an Outsider weapon that the Olympians claimed in Battle way back in the day, or that it is literally Eating Outsider Souls (per the Black Magic=Nemesis Theory), or some such that explains the insulation property but in doing so also opens more options.
--- Quote ---2013 Wyrdcon Q&A
The Blackstaff is not sentient per se it’s just really, really, really powerful and tapped into like some serious elemental powers in the universe. But basically all it really is is insulation from using those powers.
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--- Quote ---2010 Dragon*Con @ ~1:45
When Eb does his "Laying of the Cattle move" at the major battle near the end of Changes, is that a power of the blackstaff?
The Blackstaff is what keeps that kind of thing from driving him insane and turning him into a giggling villain. Yah you don't go messing with black magic in the Dresden Files, it's very very bad for you. At the same time, Magic is something that happens because you truly believe that when you set out to do it that you should be able to do that sort of thing. That says a few things about Eb that really Harry hasn't run into in any other forum other than right there. Yah Poor guy, He's got a tough job.
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Does the blackstaff have any powers that relate to the dead?
Other than making people dead? Really, that's kind of the point [Crowd Laughs] Really but the staff itself what it really does is it keeps Eb sane while he's doing insane things. Lucky him, he gets to deal with a hideously guilty conscious and nightmares later, but that's better than later being like *Muahahahahahahahaha* Which is sort of the other option if your going to go around using magic like that.
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peregrine:
Given what Mother Summer said about how Winter doesn't travel as much since she lost her walking stick, I'm thinking that it's a tool of protection/insulation, and that while it protects Eb from the consequences of murdering people, it would protect Mother Winter from the consequences of traveling to the real world. Or the real world from the consequences. If Mab being in Chicago for a long time drops the temperature, imagine what someone who seems to be connected to the idea of death and/or entropy would do.
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