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Lara-Nemesis-Oblivion War
LordDresden2:
--- Quote from: Aminar on May 24, 2017, 04:22:37 AM ---The author bit in Side Jobs certainly makes it sound like there is. It could be Lara's manipulation, but that's awfully disingenuous and unresolveable within the scope of the series. In short, the met answer proves you wrong.
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In a way that disappoints me, because it leaves all the logical holes and contradictions in place. If Lara had been making it up, or distorting it for Thomas, some of those problems would be gone.
Quantus:
--- Quote from: Griffyn612 on May 24, 2017, 09:16:57 PM ---Makes you wonder if the Blackstaff can cure infection, and Eb possessing it doomed Maeve.
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Possible, if it can do so for someone other than it's (presumably0 bonded wielder). And No, Maeve doomed herself by being a spoiled prat, but since the Staff needs informed consent from it's wielder I have to think it would have needed the same willing participation that Mab did. In fact, Mab's ability to cure Nemfection might be directly related to the mechanism of the blackstaff. Assuming of course that both the underlying theories are correct (that the Blackstaff is a Winter Artifact and that Black Magic Taint = Nemfection
--- Quote from: Aminar on May 25, 2017, 12:35:26 AM ---It doesn't really add up. Going Warlock is a strictly mortal thing. How would Sith have gone Warlock? Whatever taint Black Magic brings, it's a separate thing.
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The theory is that the supernatural element of Black Magic taint (the bit that the blackstaff protects Eb from, independent of the moral and psychological fallout) is in fact an expression of Nemfection. There are various threads that pull together to make this theory hold some water, but the core idea is that since Magic is the very fundamental force of Creation and since Mortals are directly empowered like no other to affect the fabric of reality (via Soul and Free Will), so when then choose to twist that Power of Life and Creation is one of several specific Extreme ways, it creates a sort of 'crack' in reality that allows a bit of Nemesis Inside. Do it often enough and the accumulated Taint/Nemfection would build up and eventually start influencing you more directly. Since Fae have no Soul, they both do not have the same effect on reality with their magic (just like how they cannot actually Summon Outsiders) but similarly they dont have the same Cosmically protected Choice; so their Nemfections require outside vectors, but also can happen much more swiftly.
Aminar:
--- Quote from: Quantus on May 25, 2017, 12:51:25 PM ---Possible, if it can do so for someone other than it's (presumably0 bonded wielder). And No, Maeve doomed herself by being a spoiled prat, but since the Staff needs informed consent from it's wielder I have to think it would have needed the same willing participation that Mab did. In fact, Mab's ability to cure Nemfection might be directly related to the mechanism of the blackstaff. Assuming of course that both the underlying theories are correct (that the Blackstaff is a Winter Artifact and that Black Magic Taint = Nemfection
The theory is that the supernatural element of Black Magic taint (the bit that the blackstaff protects Eb from, independent of the moral and psychological fallout) is in fact an expression of Nemfection. There are various threads that pull together to make this theory hold some water, but the core idea is that since Magic is the very fundamental force of Creation and since Mortals are directly empowered like no other to affect the fabric of reality (via Soul and Free Will), so when then choose to twist that Power of Life and Creation is one of several specific Extreme ways, it creates a sort of 'crack' in reality that allows a bit of Nemesis Inside. Do it often enough and the accumulated Taint/Nemfection would build up and eventually start influencing you more directly. Since Fae have no Soul, they both do not have the same effect on reality with their magic (just like how they cannot actually Summon Outsiders) but similarly they dont have the same Cosmically protected Choice; so their Nemfections require outside vectors, but also can happen much more swiftly.
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That doesn't work... It makes Nemesis an absolute moron. I mean, it's only gotten two barely infected agents into the Council via nemfection. It gets most of its human infectees killed, makes them all addicts, and generally breaks their sanity. And its stupidly overt. So personally, no. Bad stupid theory tying unrelated phenomenon together in a silly conspiracy that makes no practical sense.
Tami Seven:
--- Quote from: LordDresden2 on May 25, 2017, 03:33:55 AM ---In a way that disappoints me, because it leaves all the logical holes and contradictions in place. If Lara had been making it up, or distorting it for Thomas, some of those problems would be gone.
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I don't see how. JB has thought this out and his explanation not only makes sense but is verified in the series. Lara doesn't need to create a whole mysterious ruse to control Thomas, we have seen her do it with much simpler methods, more traditional White Court methods.
Quantus:
--- Quote from: Aminar on May 25, 2017, 01:34:44 PM ---That doesn't work... It makes Nemesis an absolute moron. I mean, it's only gotten two barely infected agents into the Council via nemfection. It gets most of its human infectees killed, makes them all addicts, and generally breaks their sanity. And its stupidly overt. So personally, no. Bad stupid theory tying unrelated phenomenon together in a silly conspiracy that makes no practical sense.
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Hah.
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