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Griffyn612:
--- Quote from: the neurovore of Zur-En-Aargh on November 15, 2017, 07:42:31 PM ---Harry embraces following his heart as a guide to doing what's right, and reacting to what is immediately in front of him, as modes of making moral choices. He may well think he is doing the necessary thing, but his rejection of thinking through longer-term consequences and endeavouring to do things that will have better results overall when that cuts against what feels obviously right to him at the moment, and tendency to pretty much always think anyone who does think that way must be doing it for personal benefit, is getting good and evil tangled up in a classic Order/Chaos distinction, and as I understand it taking that position counts as a free-willed action in DV terms.
Hey, does DV free will come with the moral meta-obligation to examine and assess how one makes moral decisions and change one's nature accordingly, or should I just go back to hiding in my room for another year ?
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I'd imagine there are plenty of people that don't consider the consequences of their actions, nor do they consider considering them. But they'd presumably still have free will.
To be honest, the greater you consider responsibility, the less free will you have.
wardenferry419:
How does it impact an individual's free will if they consider the responsibility associated with their actions after the actions have occurred instead of prior to the act?
the neurovore of Zur-En-Aargh:
--- Quote from: Griffyn612 on November 15, 2017, 08:56:38 PM ---I'd imagine there are plenty of people that don't consider the consequences of their actions, nor do they consider considering them. But they'd presumably still have free will.
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I'd query that "presumably", because it doesn't feel logical to me to count a non-considered action that comes direct from someone's character, personality, the sort of thing than in the DV is entities following their nature, as being an act of free will.
(If you mean in RL, I do not believe human beings have anything like the degree of free will they axiomatically have in the DV.)
wardenferry419:
I would say that the free will exists even if the choice being made is the necessary or demanded option.
Griffyn612:
--- Quote from: wardenferry419 on November 15, 2017, 10:27:18 PM ---How does it impact an individual's free will if they consider the responsibility associated with their actions after the actions have occurred instead of prior to the act?
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I'm talking about pre-action contemplation. Just being a member of society and playing by its rules requires one to give up a measure of free will. The more knowledgeable you are of the consequences, the more you are restrained.
--- Quote from: the neurovore of Zur-En-Aargh on November 15, 2017, 10:59:31 PM ---I'd query that "presumably", because it doesn't feel logical to me to count a non-considered action that comes direct from someone's character, personality, the sort of thing than in the DV is entities following their nature, as being an act of free will.
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That would seem to be the epitome of free will. Doing what you want, when you want, regardless of the consequences, is free will. Doing what you have to, either to conform to standards, or avoid consequences, is a restraint of personal desire, and therefore free will.
--- Quote from: wardenferry419 on November 15, 2017, 11:49:03 PM ---I would say that the free will exists even if the choice being made is the necessary or demanded option.
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Tell that to the Fallen of the Dresdenverse. They were required to do what was necessary and demanded of them. But they only got one chance to exert free will.
Same for Mab. She can get away with doing what she wants within the constraints of her office. She has some small portion of free will, but even personally chosen acts are chosen from a narrow selection of possible acts she can choose from.
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