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the neurovore of Zur-En-Aargh:
Marcone is Lawful and a fair amount of the way into Evil; Harry, whatever he may like to think, is Chaotic as all get-out.
Griffyn612:
--- Quote from: the neurovore of Zur-En-Aargh on November 14, 2017, 08:54:38 PM ---Marcone is Lawful and a fair amount of the way into Evil; Harry, whatever he may like to think, is Chaotic as all get-out.
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I'm not sure Harry would dispute that. He'd only argue that he's chaotic not by nature, but by necessity.
To which others would look at his inherent disinclination toward social norms, in both the human and magical worlds, and simply raise a doubtful brow.
jonas:
--- Quote from: Griffyn612 on October 22, 2017, 01:51:14 AM ---Marcone isn't selfless, nor is he honorable. At best, he's compensatory and proportionate.
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He's at least of proportionate Honor too though, to that of a tiger's sense of Honor of course lol. But he does have some, as with his new cohort Mab. Also completely ruthless, but that doesn't mean he'll intentionally do someone dirty under his own code. A code, any relavent to your actions code can be considered one's 'honor', look at Klingons and their skewed sense of it. Only one who seemed to get it right was Worf and he seemed very influenced by earth sensibilities in the same area, tempered by it. Marcone is tempered by the frost instead.
Griffyn612:
--- Quote from: jonas on November 15, 2017, 11:40:03 AM ---He's at least of proportionate Honor too though, to that of a tiger's sense of Honor of course lol. But he does have some, as with his new cohort Mab. Also completely ruthless, but that doesn't mean he'll intentionally do someone dirty under his own code. A code, any relavent to your actions code can be considered one's 'honor', look at Klingons and their skewed sense of it. Only one who seemed to get it right was Worf and he seemed very influenced by earth sensibilities in the same area, tempered by it. Marcone is tempered by the frost instead.
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Personally I think you're confusing "honor" with "keeping one's word", but it's a common parallel, so I get where you're coming from. But I don't think they're the same in his case.
the neurovore of Zur-En-Aargh:
--- Quote from: Griffyn612 on November 15, 2017, 04:56:10 AM ---I'm not sure Harry would dispute that. He'd only argue that he's chaotic not by nature, but by necessity.
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Harry embraces following his heart as a guide to doing what's right, and reacting to what is immediately in front of him, as modes of making moral choices. He may well think he is doing the necessary thing, but his rejection of thinking through longer-term consequences and endeavouring to do things that will have better results overall when that cuts against what feels obviously right to him at the moment, and tendency to pretty much always think anyone who does think that way must be doing it for personal benefit, is getting good and evil tangled up in a classic Order/Chaos distinction, and as I understand it taking that position counts as a free-willed action in DV terms.
Hey, does DV free will come with the moral meta-obligation to examine and assess how one makes moral decisions and change one's nature accordingly, or should I just go back to hiding in my room for another year ?
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