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Current DR wardens
kazimmoinuddin:
While each wizard has there own style, any piece of magic one can do, other wizards can create their own version. All wizards can create something akin to a staff. The swords are a type of combat foci that can double as an actual physical weapon that are designed to act against magic.
Lawgiver:
--- Quote from: MoroccoMole on March 21, 2016, 07:07:22 PM ---So I was reading GroinKick's thread on previous wardens ( http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,47345.0.html ) and remembered this from Cold Days:
“Hey, how come you called me Warden?” I asked. “I mean, I’ve been a Warden, but there are a lot of other guys who are better at it than me. I’m not exactly the poster child.” “WARDEN,” Demonreach said. “NOW THERE ARE MANY. FIRST THERE WAS ONE.”
Who are these people?! Don't they care that there's a noob on the island?
Why doesn't Harry ask who they are? He's creating a sanctuary for himself, shouldn't he care about who has keys to it? He doesn't mention anything about it in Skin Game in his, "After the year I've had here, I could stop that Outsider incursion of last year before my morning coffee" bit.
If Eb, the GateKeeper, and Listens all know about this, and i think they do because they all kind of react the same way, then i think it's possible that they could be wardens and were letting the Noob do a trial by fire with the whole Outsiders' incursion. Risky & frightening, but a true test of a warden. Or, and this to me is even scarier, Eb, the GateKeeper and Listens aren't wardens and just know about the nature of the island. Then if there are other wardens besides Harry, they either don't care about their responibilities, or have grown so much that they think that DR and the inherent risks are beneath their concern.
~M
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Hmmm...
after re-reading the whole scene for full context... I'm not sure DR's reference to "many" vs "one" is definitively about Wardens or even wardens in general. DR has an odd way idea/information association. Its job is to imprison nasty stuff. He is "beholden" to the Warden. Perhaps its conceptual association was triggered by the term "warden" and it was then referring to its primary task - which would refer to thinks in the prison... first there was one, now there are many.
Basically he's telling the Warden, we've got a large prison population. That could end up being a disturbing thought... any time a warden gets told "we got a lotta prisoners" its usually a prelude to "too many prisoners" and some sort of catastrophe, usually involving riots and attempts at mass breakouts, etc.
Maybe that was DR's way of trying to warn Harry that the whole thing is about to pop?
MoroccoMole:
First, thanks Serack for the WOJ.
Lawgiver, I like this, and looking at it again, just in terms of language and punctuation, it seems that DR was addressing Harry as "Warden", then giving him information, "things are getting interesting around here". This works a lot better for me.
~M
Dashkull:
--- Quote from: Serack on March 25, 2016, 08:36:35 PM ---Which to me implies that there is only one capital "Warden" especially considering the line in Eb's journal.
As for the cloak WoJ, that's more ambiguous.
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To me, that WoJ implies that there are non-human guardians acting as wardens of Demonreach on the never never side. That is something I hadn't considered before and something that Harry should investigate, like, yesterday.
Serack:
--- Quote from: Dashkull on April 11, 2016, 09:05:20 AM ---To me, that WoJ implies that there are non-human guardians acting as wardens of Demonreach on the never never side. That is something I hadn't considered before and something that Harry should investigate, like, yesterday.
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It is my opinion that when Harry descends down all those steps and enters the chamber down at the bottom, he has gone down the rabbit hole and in most respects *is* on the NN side of Demonreach.
I say in most respects because Demonreach was created and exists on a dimensional level that Harry has a hard time experiencing, so when he's down there his experience is kinda skimming the surface of a pond of what is actually there NN wise without necessarily getting wet.
I haven't followed this conversation closely, but let me share a little more of my opinion of who and what a capital "W" Warden is and why it is significant. As with most of my theorizing over the past few years, this is heavily influenced by my concepts of overall DF cosmology, and the mortal experience's position in and influence over that cosmology.
The entirety of the Demonreach construct was created on and exists on a level that spans more than just Harry's individual reality and timeline. It is immense and powerful and enduring and ... Lithic. What do I mean by "Lithic?" It exists as is and is non-introspective and unchanging in its purpose, function, and resolve.
But on the Demonreach level of the big picture, the fabric of Reality has a degree of malleability, and the driver and medium of this malleability is mortals and their free will. For Demonreach to function on this malleable level of existence, it needs a malleability engine of its own. A Warden capital W, with free will who can make decisions that encompass aspects of its purpose that require more malleability, dynamism and introspection than it possesses on its own as a Lithic construct.
It is possible that Demonreach's existence is wide enough that it interfaces with more than one discrete "Capital W Warden" across multiple discrete realities and timelines on the level Harry experiences in such a way that from Harry's and thus our perspective, these interactions happen relatively "simultaneously" and individually. However, I think it is more likely that from the Demonreach perspective, these malleability engines are less discrete and are more of a reality spanning singularity like itself. Sort of.
Which is a really long and arduous way of saying that in my theories there is only one capital "W" DR Warden.
Edit: I'd like to add that I'm really proud of the two analogies of Harry experiences in the NN being like skimming a pond without getting wet (not getting the full depth of the experience, only an aspect of it), and Warden Harry's free will being an "malleability Engine" for the overall Demonreach construct.
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