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--- Quote from: knnn on October 09, 2015, 07:21:39 PM ---Perhaps.
Fact is that "bitch" is used several times during the series, by different people (though they might have all been aeronaughts). This implies a wider familiarity.
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Wider usage certainly, but a wider familiarity with it's historic origins? These are sailor's we are talking about here, and I dont get the impression that Public schooling is a thing on the Spires.
Tarion:
--- Quote from: knnn on October 09, 2015, 07:21:39 PM ---Perhaps.
Fact is that "bitch" is used several times during the series, by different people (though they might have all been aeronaughts). This implies a wider familiarity.
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We live in a world in which Nimrod was accidentally redefined by Bugs Bunny to mean an idiot.
People are often unfamiliar with the roots of their language. I wouldn't take someone using "bitch" as an insult as evidence they're familiar with dogs, any more than I would assume someone using nimrod as an insult was familiar with the biblical character.
knnn:
--- Quote from: Tarion on October 12, 2015, 02:25:34 PM ---We live in a world in which Nimrod was accidentally redefined by Bugs Bunny to mean an idiot.
People are often unfamiliar with the roots of their language. I wouldn't take someone using "bitch" as an insult as evidence they're familiar with dogs, any more than I would assume someone using nimrod as an insult was familiar with the biblical character.
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Fair enough. Okay, so dogs lived sometime in the past, and barely anyone knows what they are now.
FWIW, having grown up with bible stories, I never understood why nimrod was an insult. I mean sure he wasn't a role model, but still.
Tarion:
--- Quote from: knnn on October 12, 2015, 02:41:17 PM ---Fair enough. Okay, so dogs lived sometime in the past, and barely anyone knows what they are now.
FWIW, having grown up with bible stories, I never understood why nimrod was an insult. I mean sure he wasn't a role model, but still.
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its all Bugs Bunny's fault.
--- Quote ---In 20th-century American English, the term is now commonly used to mean a dimwitted or a stupid person, a usage first recorded in 1932 and popularized by the cartoon character Bugs Bunny, who sarcastically refers to the hunter Elmer Fudd as "nimrod", as an ironic connection between "mighty hunter" and "poor little Nimrod", i.e. Fudd.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nimrod#Idiom
Basically, because people didn't get the reference they didn't understand the sarcasm.
Hofner1962:
Clearly this story is post Dresden BAT and and Mister is the sire of all the cats. (Seriously -what is it with Jim and 30 lb cats)
Mouse's descendents are still about somewhere.
:)
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