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Watsonian McAnally: the son of the chief physician.
Eldest Gruff:
--- Quote from: Serack on July 28, 2015, 05:07:26 PM ---I like the post. I have two suggestions.
First is that you shift the TL;DR version into spoiler code at the top of the first post.
Second is to provide links to the preexisting identity theory topics as Tam Lin and Raphael in your references to them in the conclusion paragraphs.
The search function didn't help me find a Grigori topic.
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Done and done.
XeroOmega:
I need to re-read the series again. Reading through the context of everything here, this passage in particular really stands out. This is more than just recognition, its almost familiarity:
(click to show/hide)Mac's words seemed to do what none of my nonsense had-they made Sharkface pissed off. It whirled toward Mac, dozens of sackcloth strips flicking out in every direction, grabbing whatever objects were there, and its alien voice came out in a harsh rasp. "You!" Sharkface snarled. "You have no place in this, watcher. Do you think this gesture has meaning? It is every bit as empty as you. You chose your road long ago. Have the grace to lie down and die beside it."
So then my question is, who would have had contact with the Outsiders to the point of being familiar to them? and of those, who would have the ability to choose to be "out"? The list would be very small. Essentially down to Wizards and Guardians of the Gate. Perhaps someone even older or possibly unique. Mac is DV's equivalent of Shepard Book.
There are a couple of WoJ's I'd like to share:
There is a WoJ that states Mac has never once done anything beyond the capability of a plain old vanilla human being.
[the Winter Lady] didn’t fare so well the last time a Starborn was running around.
If you haven't guessed where I'm going with this already, here it is: Mac could possibly be one of the previous starborn. One that helped Mab ascend to Queen of Winter, and received immortality or extreme longevity in exchange for his neutrality in future events. This would also explain his interest in Harry, his place in the Accords, and familiarity with many of the elite denizens that filter through his pub.
Griffyn612:
--- Quote from: XeroOmega on July 28, 2015, 10:00:48 PM ---I need to re-read the series again. Reading through the context of everything here, this passage in particular really stands out. This is more than just recognition, its almost familiarity:
(click to show/hide)Mac's words seemed to do what none of my nonsense had-they made Sharkface pissed off. It whirled toward Mac, dozens of sackcloth strips flicking out in every direction, grabbing whatever objects were there, and its alien voice came out in a harsh rasp. "You!" Sharkface snarled. "You have no place in this, watcher. Do you think this gesture has meaning? It is every bit as empty as you. You chose your road long ago. Have the grace to lie down and die beside it."
So then my question is, who would have had contact with the Outsiders to the point of being familiar to them? and of those, who would have the ability to choose to be "out"? The list would be very small. Essentially down to Wizards and Guardians of the Gate. Perhaps someone even older or possibly unique. Mac is DV's equivalent of Shepard Book.
There are a couple of WoJ's I'd like to share:
There is a WoJ that states Mac has never once done anything beyond the capability of a plain old vanilla human being.
[the Winter Lady] didn’t fare so well the last time a Starborn was running around.
If you haven't guessed where I'm going with this already, here it is: Mac could possibly be one of the previous starborn. One that helped Mab ascend to Queen of Winter, and received immortality or extreme longevity in exchange for his neutrality in future events. This would also explain his interest in Harry, his place in the Accords, and familiarity with many of the elite denizens that filter through his pub.
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You're missing the key parts of Sharkface's rant. He tells Mac he's 'empty', as in he previously had more to him. And he says, 'have the grace'. Maybe mockingly? As in, Grace? As in, he doesn't have it, so mock him for it? And what being wouldn't have a Grace? Hmm?
Eldest Gruff:
--- Quote from: XeroOmega on July 28, 2015, 10:00:48 PM ---I need to re-read the series again. Reading through the context of everything here, this passage in particular really stands out. This is more than just recognition, its almost familiarity:
(click to show/hide)Mac's words seemed to do what none of my nonsense had-they made Sharkface pissed off. It whirled toward Mac, dozens of sackcloth strips flicking out in every direction, grabbing whatever objects were there, and its alien voice came out in a harsh rasp. "You!" Sharkface snarled. "You have no place in this, watcher. Do you think this gesture has meaning? It is every bit as empty as you. You chose your road long ago. Have the grace to lie down and die beside it."
So then my question is, who would have had contact with the Outsiders to the point of being familiar to them? and of those, who would have the ability to choose to be "out"? The list would be very small. Essentially down to Wizards and Guardians of the Gate. Perhaps someone even older or possibly unique. Mac is DV's equivalent of Shepard Book.
There are a couple of WoJ's I'd like to share:
There is a WoJ that states Mac has never once done anything beyond the capability of a plain old vanilla human being.
[the Winter Lady] didn’t fare so well the last time a Starborn was running around.
If you haven't guessed where I'm going with this already, here it is: Mac could possibly be one of the previous starborn. One that helped Mab ascend to Queen of Winter, and received immortality or extreme longevity in exchange for his neutrality in future events. This would also explain his interest in Harry, his place in the Accords, and familiarity with many of the elite denizens that filter through his pub.
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If you wanna edit these in to reflect mentioning them:
--- Quote ---Reddit AMA (5-16-2014)
Is Mac more than a human? I think he's not, but there's a growing faction that believes he's either Merlin or some sort of Gray Angel
Mac has never once done anything beyond the capability of a plain old vanilla human being.
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Audience Member: You said the Winter, rather, Knights’ mantles change fairly often? How often do the Ladies’, Queens’ and Mothers’ mantles change?
Uh, the Ladies, Queens and Mothers, their mantles change very, very, very rarely in general. I mean, Mab’s been there for better than 1,000 years. And Maeve’s been there….there was a Winter Lady before Maeve, uh, in Mab’s time. And she didn’t fare so well the last time a Starborn was running around. And so Mab had Maeve, um, but in any case, I leave things here, don’t miss ‘em. I love to drop teases and hints and walk away smiling, but anyway. They don’t change very often at all. The Knights’ mantles change, like, constantly. Most Knights are Knights who pick up a sword for a night. And then they’re done. It’s just some random Joe, who happens to be a decent guy, and it’s like, “Look, magical sword, horrible danger! Do something!”. A lot of those guys don't go very far (I think that's what was said) Just because you’re a great guy doesn't mean you’re smart enough to survive an encounter with demons, for example. And we’ll see a bit more of that in the next book, too.
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As it pertains to the overall idea, that would at least tangentially give Harry the same general option to just say 'screw it, i'm done,' and be left alone. I don't think anyone, especially him, would get off so easily :P Hell even Mac who is 'out' had his bar assaulted AND was shot/kidnapped in the same book.
Lawgiver:
--- Quote from: Eldest Gruff on July 28, 2015, 10:11:47 PM ---If you wanna edit these in to reflect mentioning them:
As it pertains to the overall idea, that would at least tangentially give Harry the same general option to just say 'screw it, i'm done,' and be left alone. I don't think anyone, especially him, would get off so easily :P Hell even Mac who is 'out' had his bar assaulted AND was shot/kidnapped in the same book.
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I think the "knights" referenced by the questioner were KotCs, not Knights of the Fae Courts. Murphy and Susan are both examples of KotC that hold a sword for a short time; both during the Chichen Itza assault (yes, I'm saying Murphy has already been a KotC, a 'one knight stand' so to speak :) ). Rapid changeover in KotCs doesn't, to me, provide Harry any 'out' from his position.
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