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The Religious Relics: What Are They?
Eldest Gruff:
--- Quote from: Quantus on June 30, 2015, 03:58:25 PM ---My thought was that the 6th aspect was the "Ba," literally the Body. I think Id prefer it that way from an arbitrary symmetry standpoint, simply so that the 6th is qualitatively different than the other 5, since they currently have the appearance of being set aside.
I dont think the Akh would fit, mostly for a timeline issue. The Nails were engaged during the crusafixion itself, whereas the Akh is supposed to come into existence after Death; in that regard the only one that fits the Ahk is the Shroud. Which would make sense as fulfilling the post-death mummification requirements.
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Unless we tailor that to the idea that the Nails as a facet to power holy swords DID only come about after death...a death which gave prominence and meaning to all the artifacts for sure, but certainly most prominently in the story thus far to the Nails. Combined with the first passage from the wiki I put above comes this right after:
--- Quote from: wikipedia ---It could be evoked by prayers or written letters left in the tomb's offering chapel also in order to help living family members, e.g., by intervening in disputes, by making an appeal to other dead persons or deities with any authority to influence things on earth for the better, but also to inflict punishments.
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I just think it fits better with the duality of the Swords and their general representation. And that's thanks to the Nails.
Quantus:
--- Quote from: Eldest Gruff on June 30, 2015, 04:08:12 PM ---Unless we tailor that to the idea that the Nails as a facet to power holy swords DID only come about after death...a death which gave prominence and meaning to all the artifacts for sure, but certainly most prominently in the story thus far to the Nails. Combined with the first passage from the wiki I put above comes this right after:
I just think it fits better with the duality of the Swords and their general representation. And that's thanks to the Nails.
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Ok, that actually pretty Cool. Lets chase that thought for a second: lets say for a moment that it was the events of the Passion itself that empowered these items, rather than being somehow prepared ahead of time for their roles. Then the events would have Empowered them, which in the nails/sword case would translate to inbueing them with the (and I stand by this particular use of the term) Item-mantles of the Swords which we know predated those events. Or would that have not happened until the Nails were later forged into Sowrds the first time?
Eldest Gruff:
--- Quote from: Quantus on June 30, 2015, 05:51:15 PM ---Ok, that actually pretty Cool. Lets chase that thought for a second: lets say for a moment that it was the events of the Passion itself that empowered these items, rather than being somehow prepared ahead of time for their roles. Then the events would have Empowered them, which in the nails/sword case would translate to inbueing them with the (and I stand by this particular use of the term) Item-mantles of the Swords which we know predated those events. Or would that have not happened until the Nails were later forged into Sowrds the first time?
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Essentially yes, the Nails gained prominence and meaning thanks to the event of the crucifixion. The Swords, which as we know have been reforged and taken on 'mantles' of their own thru time, could very well have been 'holy swords' in their own right. Joyuse comes to mind as a tie to Excalibur, and that Sword was wielded by none other than Charlemagne though that came after...we know of course about Kusangi predating the Death.
However, they only become 'Swords of the Cross' because of these events. And thus whatever they were before, they became something else. In a very Kringle esque manner. Or better example, the fake Shroud. It has power because ppl think its the real deal, the genuine article. But its absolutely nothing compared to the one in the Vault. So too would any other versions of the Swords prior to receiving the Nails. Certainly they keep that prominence and history, people still view those famous blades a certain way. But now they are something new altogether.
Like the item-mantles are the 'anchor' to reality that allows a blade with its own power to obtain more or adapt to the Nails when re-forged. Idk where that idea would lead but it came to me as I typed it and I figured i'd add it for posterity sake.
So I think there is room for a little of both, but big piece certainly was the power given to the Nails that allow the Swords to be. And that comes as a result of the events occurring and the importance placed upon those events later by humanity as well.
Lawgiver:
--- Quote from: Eldest Gruff on June 30, 2015, 07:34:01 PM ---Like the item-mantles are the 'anchor' to reality that allows a blade with its own power to obtain more or adapt to the Nails when re-forged. Idk where that idea would lead but it came to me as I typed it and I figured i'd add it for posterity sake.
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At minimum I'd say you just described JB's concept of "the Powers of the DV never change, it's just our perception of them that does." What you've said seems to fit very well with that idea. At least to me. May also demonstrate (in some way) the "more worshipers/believers = more power" angle JB's mentioned.
kazimmoinuddin:
due to the fact there were only 5 items, and they are linked, i bet they had a specific purpose.
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