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The Religious Relics: What Are They?
kazimmoinuddin:
There was this movie caled treasure guards, it was about relic hunters belonging to the church that would locate and secur items that have been touched by god i think. I wonder what relics the church has been able to keep ahold of.
Quantus:
--- Quote from: kazimmoinuddin on June 24, 2015, 05:01:58 AM --- There was this movie caled treasure guards, it was about relic hunters belonging to the church that would locate and secur items that have been touched by god i think. I wonder what relics the church has been able to keep ahold of.
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So far the answer seems to be None :P
Quantus:
--- Quote from: Phariah on June 23, 2015, 10:10:56 PM ---your ideas for the 5 objects from the vault are kinda similar to mine that I posted in the other thread. I like your ideas. I think the only major difference we have is the Crown.
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Agreed. Though part of the problem (with mine) is that I cant quite decide how much of the Passion events would have been pre-planned by Jesus vs some other agency. What I mean is that I am going on the general assumption that the items were specifically Crafted ahead of time rather than being Empowered in the act (per traditional Dogma), but whether they were doing so with benevolent intentions toward Jesus or not could change things some. For example, your idea for the crown would be a more benevolent thing as it would empower him to complete his "mission," wereas the Throned Manacle idea would be more about the jailers restraining their victim (regardless of how cooperative the subject actually is).
PS for everyone else, here is Phariah's list:
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--- Quote from: Phariah on June 20, 2015, 09:34:56 PM ---just guessing here. using my vast MMO gaming experience and DnD lore/ knowledge base. 8) ;) ::) :P
Thorn Crown :Christ was given the Crown before his march w/ the Cross. could it have some type of enh stamina/ endurance thing, pain suppression, damage mitigation? sort of like the Winter Mantle but not coming from the individual but the faith magic. something cleansing like also might fit. also was supposed to be a joke calling him the king of the Jews. might it also project and aura that aids/ supports allies?
Shroud of Turin : healing and resurrection I am thinking. they way I see it maybe the one previously seen is not the true Shroud but one of 2 other possibilities. one is a wrap used to cover a persons head before they are enshrouded. the other is the cloth used by the woman who wiped Jesus' face on his march w/ the Cross. this would explain why the Shroud did not work on Persephone, it was not the true Shroud. it might have the faith juice but not the true power of resurrection imbued within the one Harry just got. makes me wonder if he will try it on her to test it and get Marcone to owe him again.
the Plaque. : wonder if it some type of item that would allow someone to learn the true name of someone, even it's pronunciation. used in sealing someone or their powers, bind them/ entrap them.
the Knife/ Spearhead of Longinus : standard myth is it allows the user to become unbeatable. I think it is like Quantus was saying. something like and anti-entropy curse thingy. if anyone is a Marvel fan out you will recognize these two, Longshot and Domino, they had probability altering fields which had things go the right way for them in random situations. also the thing about it being able to kill anything even god-like beings fits it also.
Chalice : most myths involving this talk about healing/ rejuvenation/ immortality. wonder if this would be able to cleanse Black Magic taint or used to help Harry get rid of the WK Mantle?
just some WAGs but think a few might be close.
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Lawgiver:
--- Quote from: Eldest Gruff on June 23, 2015, 05:05:27 PM ---That first part would mean she lied at the end of CD as it pertained to how Maeve got N-fected and when. Which as we all know, she cannot do. The only argument one can make is 'well she can be wrong.' Wrong for 150 years is unlikely. That Nemesis only used Maeve NOW when things like the Well were unprotected for 148 of those years is also immensely unlikely unless Nemesis is the worst planner ever.
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If she were already N-fected, yes she could.
Given that the major powers in the books think very long term, it would be no surprise if Nemesis had infected Maeve a century or more ago and left her there as a sleeper with instructions to make as little disturbance as possible until they could get a better foothold. This would have allowed her to assess all sorts of capabilities and weaknesses within Winter, some of Summer, etc. We've no really good idea how long she may have been working on Aurora to finally "turn" her at an appropriate time, or how long she may have been working on Cat Sith, etc., etc. Not acting strictly according to her nature, by being delinquent in her duties, seems -- to me -- a strong clue that something was wrong with her long before the books began.
If (and yes 'if' can't be proven), as I surmised in another thread, Mab had somehow been involved in the long term planning and execution of the "complex series of events" JB says is required for the creation of a Starborn, perhaps Maeve's dereliction was a hint to her that something was wrong and she began the Project with an eye towards the outcome(s) she's getting. She 'cured' Lea, yes, but perhaps as a member of the Royalty Maeve was too strong for that method to work... execution and replacement being the only 'fix'... which would be why she told Harry (the weapon she'd been building for so long) to kill Maeve, the (or just one) target the weapon was built to deal with.
Presuming Maeve couldn't lie with evidence present that suggest otherwise doesn't wash with me. Sorry.
/shrug
Eldest Gruff:
--- Quote from: Lawgiver on June 24, 2015, 03:57:24 PM ---If she were already N-fected, yes she could.
Given that the major powers in the books think very long term, it would be no surprise if Nemesis had infected Maeve a century or more ago and left her there as a sleeper with instructions to make as little disturbance as possible until they could get a better foothold. This would have allowed her to assess all sorts of capabilities and weaknesses within Winter, some of Summer, etc. We've no really good idea how long she may have been working on Aurora to finally "turn" her at an appropriate time, or how long she may have been working on Cat Sith, etc., etc. Not acting strictly according to her nature, by being delinquent in her duties, seems -- to me -- a strong clue that something was wrong with her long before the books began.
If (and yes 'if' can't be proven), as I surmised in another thread, Mab had somehow been involved in the long term planning and execution of the "complex series of events" JB says is required for the creation of a Starborn, perhaps Maeve's dereliction was a hint to her that something was wrong and she began the Project with an eye towards the outcome(s) she's getting. She 'cured' Lea, yes, but perhaps as a member of the Royalty Maeve was too strong for that method to work... execution and replacement being the only 'fix'... which would be why she told Harry (the weapon she'd been building for so long) to kill Maeve, the (or just one) target the weapon was built to deal with.
Presuming Maeve couldn't lie with evidence present that suggest otherwise doesn't wash with me. Sorry.
/shrug
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Mab. It would mean Mab lied at the end of CD, wasn't talking about Maeve. You're responding to a point with based on a misunderstanding and the premise is faulty to begin with since the Queen of Air and Darkness already told us how it happened and thus that gives us the general when.
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