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He Couldn't Lose [SG Spoilers]
kazimmoinuddin:
There was a WOG about athames, but i cant remember it.
Quantus:
--- Quote from: groinkick on June 21, 2015, 05:47:19 AM ---What about Mother Winters deal she gave to Harry that can undo any magic? I bet that could undo a Mantle.. Anyways why would it mess up conservation of energy? Destroying a Mantle would just be dispersing the energy to a form that wasn't a Mantle... Think of a jar filled with water. If you break the jar the water isn't destroyed. It's just not in the container anymore.
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The way I see it, the Host IS the jar. What you describe is, to me, more like that high school experiment where you split water into Hydrogen and Oxygen, a bit more fundamentally changing.
Quantus:
--- Quote from: Mr. Death on June 21, 2015, 04:01:10 PM ---Not everything is a mantle. There's no reason to suspect dragons are.
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Given the Cosmic nature of Dragons, I'd be quite suprised if they are not in fact mantles. Especially, given the WOJ that each Eldest of a given race is a mantle (in Fae at least). And given that they CREATED an entire servator race of the lesser dragons, if Dragon's aren't Mantles, then they are probably far and away the most Powerful thing kicking around that isnt.
--- Quote from: kazimmoinuddin on June 21, 2015, 06:04:54 AM ---Didnt michael kill a dragon with his sword? That might mean it is a mantle killer item.
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No it doesnt. Harry has killed two mantled Immortal's so far, and has yet to Destroy a Mantle. For all we know that dragon's Mantle is sitting in a Dragon Egg somewhere waiting to be Reborn, or got even distributed to the two surviving Dragons. Or something. We only know how the Fae Queen's mantles are passed, and they are unique enough overall that I dont think they are going to be the best example of "typical" mantle behavior.
Eldest Gruff:
--- Quote from: Quantus on June 22, 2015, 03:03:51 PM ---Given the Cosmic nature of Dragons, I'd be quite suprised if they are not in fact mantles. Especially, given the WOJ that each Eldest of a given race is a mantle (in Fae at least). And given that they CREATED an entire servator race of the lesser dragons, if Dragon's aren't Mantles, then they are probably far and away the most Powerful thing kicking around that isnt.
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Not necessarily, Archangels have cosmic levels of power as well but they aren't mantle wielders. They too have underlings of lesser versions of themselves. Granted they didn't create them themselves but still.
Mr. Death:
--- Quote from: Quantus on June 22, 2015, 03:03:51 PM ---Given the Cosmic nature of Dragons, I'd be quite suprised if they are not in fact mantles. Especially, given the WOJ that each Eldest of a given race is a mantle (in Fae at least). And given that they CREATED an entire servator race of the lesser dragons, if Dragon's aren't Mantles, then they are probably far and away the most Powerful thing kicking around that isnt.
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Mantles have to go somewhere. It's WOJ that there are far fewer big D Dragons around than there used to be. If they were mantles, this wouldn't be the case -- the mantles would have gone to a suitable host (those little d dragons, perhaps).
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