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He Couldn't Lose [SG Spoilers]
KurtinStGeorge:
If the blade is the point of the Spear of Longinus, I understand why some of us are thinking about Harry turning his staff into a spear, but what about the other artifacts? Does anyone have any ideas about how the Shroud, the Crown of Thorns or the sign with INRI could be used as weapons by Harry? (I assume Nicodemus will try to use the Grail to power some kind of curse.)
Harry said he would research the items. Has anyone done any research on the any of the other items? The Shroud seem less like a weapon then something you would use to bring back a fallen comrade. (Of course there will be catch to using it. Probably Harry will only be able to use it once and he will be forced to decide between Murphy and someone else, someone more vital to defeating the Outsiders.) The Crown of Thorns may have different symbolic meanings, but I'm not seeing how it could be a weapon and I have no idea about the sign.
Eldest Gruff:
--- Quote from: KurtinStGeorge on June 20, 2015, 08:03:47 PM ---If the blade is the point of the Spear of Longinus, I understand why some of us are thinking about Harry turning his staff into a spear, but what about the other artifacts? Does anyone have any ideas about how the Shroud, the Crown of Thorns or the sign with INRI could be used as weapons by Harry? (I assume Nicodemus will try to use the Grail to power some kind of curse.)
Harry said he would research the items. Has anyone done any research on the any of the other items? The Shroud seem less like a weapon then something you would use to bring back a fallen comrade. (Of course there will be catch to using it. Probably Harry will only be able to use it once and he will be forced to decide between Murphy and someone else, someone more vital to defeating the Outsiders.) The Crown of Thorns may have different symbolic meanings, but I'm not seeing how it could be a weapon and I have no idea about the sign.
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Umm just spitballing but...maybe the Crown serves as a sort of insulation against veils, glamours, mental attacks or black magic backlash similar to the Blackstaff? Anything 'mind' or mentally related, protecting your senses. Maybe enhances them or allows for a level of precognition or foresight? Enhances and insulates the Sight possibly? Insulates against soulgazes or staring too long into the eyes of your opponent?
Placard perhaps allows one complete control over a being without knowing their true name, or perhaps instinctively allows you to have their true name? If part of a summoning perhaps it protects YOU as the summoner from having your name used against you or allows you to be shielded from those who discover it?
Idk.
Phariah:
just guessing here. using my vast MMO gaming experience and DnD lore/ knowledge base. 8) ;) ::) :P
Thorn Crown :Christ was given the Crown before his march w/ the Cross. could it have some type of enh stamina/ endurance thing, pain suppression, damage mitigation? sort of like the Winter Mantle but not coming from the individual but the faith magic. something cleansing like also might fit. also was supposed to be a joke calling him the king of the Jews. might it also project and aura that aids/ supports allies?
Shroud of Turin : healing and resurrection I am thinking. they way I see it maybe the one previously seen is not the true Shroud but one of 2 other possibilities. one is a wrap used to cover a persons head before they are enshrouded. the other is the cloth used by the woman who wiped Jesus' face on his march w/ the Cross. this would explain why the Shroud did not work on Persephone, it was not the true Shroud. it might have the faith juice but not the true power of resurrection imbued within the one Harry just got. makes me wonder if he will try it on her to test it and get Marcone to owe him again.
the Plaque. : wonder if it some type of item that would allow someone to learn the true name of someone, even it's pronunciation. used in sealing someone or their powers, bind them/ entrap them.
the Knife/ Spearhead of Longinus : standard myth is it allows the user to become unbeatable. I think it is like Quantus was saying. something like and anti-entropy curse thingy. if anyone is a Marvel fan out you will recognize these two, Longshot and Domino, they had probability altering fields which had things go the right way for them in random situations. also the thing about it being able to kill anything even god-like beings fits it also.
Chalice : most myths involving this talk about healing/ rejuvenation/ immortality. wonder if this would be able to cleanse Black Magic taint or used to help Harry get rid of the WK Mantle?
just some WAGs but think a few might be close.
kazimmoinuddin:
These items are likely powered by soulfire, so even the fallen would be very vulnerable to them, as well as outsiders.
groinkick:
--- Quote from: Quantus on June 20, 2015, 05:41:54 PM ---That's supposed to be Impossible, per the Mothers in SK. Mantles=Power=Conservation of Energy and all that. But a weapon that is essentially a portable Conjunction that allows Immortals to Die (and then their mantles do whatever that particular kind of Mantle does: move, scatter, go dormant, etc) would be a hell of a Game-Changer
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What about Mother Winters deal she gave to Harry that can undo any magic? I bet that could undo a Mantle.. Anyways why would it mess up conservation of energy? Destroying a Mantle would just be dispersing the energy to a form that wasn't a Mantle... Think of a jar filled with water. If you break the jar the water isn't destroyed. It's just not in the container anymore.
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