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--- Quote from: Eldest Gruff on June 20, 2015, 04:25:42 PM ---Besides, Harry's staff will always have a knob at the end so long as he is the one holding it  8)

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Well played, sir  ;D

canpinter:
While i do think the knife is the spear i don't think invulnerability is its power. Simply from a storytelling perspective giving your hero invincibility removes way to much tension, plus there's the fact that nic already has an artifact that shields him from almost all harm with the noose.

I think the blades power is actually the counter to inviolability, it can kill virtually anything. It could be argued that the spear perceiving him is what killed christ, and if the spear was able to keep the son of god dead for 3 days im willing to beat it can keep anything short of that down a lot longer. given this power it would be no wonder nic would want to get his hands on it, and i think i know who he planed to use it on.

if jim follows the pattern of every 5 books for nic showing up we will see him again right before the end trilogy and im betting the event to kick off that is nic stealing the knife and using it to kill one of the beings who has stood in his way time after time uriel.

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--- Quote from: canpinter on June 20, 2015, 05:04:55 PM ---While i do think the knife is the spear i don't think invulnerability is its power. Simply from a storytelling perspective giving your hero invincibility removes way to much tension, plus there's the fact that nic already has an artifact that shields him from almost all harm with the noose.


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Perhaps not "invulnerability" persay which as you say is too absolute to be much use in a storytelling sense, but perhaps the sort fo ridiculous good fortune that the Knights sometimes get.  Or simply a benevolent version of an Entropy Curse?


That being said, I do like the idea of it being able to Kill things better (immortals without a conjunction perhaps) as a thematic extension of it's role in the Crusafixtion.  Somebody mentioned once the Idea that the Placard will be significant because it would symbolically bear the Name of Christ.  If we look at the rest of the artifact those themes it make sense too: the healing shroud preserved his Body while he was out (traditionally on Soul Walkabout in Purgatory iirc) similar to Mab and DR for Harry; the Swords restrained him and now they restrain the Supernatural Powers of monsters so that the Knights can fight them evenly (per SmF).  The Grail that "received the Blood of Christ" may well have been used as a sort of temporary container to hold Christ's Power (the Mantle of the WG unless I miss my guess).

canpinter:
also when i say i think the knife can kill an immortal i mean it can also kill the mantel that immortal holds, kill mab with it and there will be no winter queen again, think of the chaos that would cause

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--- Quote from: canpinter on June 20, 2015, 05:39:37 PM ---also when i say i think the knife can kill an immortal i mean it can also kill the mantel that immortal holds, kill mab with it and there will be no winter queen again, think of the chaos that would cause

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That's supposed to be Impossible, per the Mothers in SK.  Mantles=Power=Conservation of Energy and all that.  But a weapon that is essentially a portable Conjunction that allows Immortals to Die (and then their mantles do whatever that particular kind of Mantle does: move, scatter, go dormant, etc) would be a hell of a Game-Changer

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