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He Couldn't Lose [SG Spoilers]
Slowpool:
--- Quote from: canpinter on June 20, 2015, 05:04:55 PM ---While i do think the knife is the spear i don't think invulnerability is its power. Simply from a storytelling perspective giving your hero invincibility removes way to much tension, plus there's the fact that nic already has an artifact that shields him from almost all harm with the noose.
I think the blades power is actually the counter to inviolability, it can kill virtually anything. It could be argued that the spear perceiving him is what killed christ, and if the spear was able to keep the son of god dead for 3 days im willing to beat it can keep anything short of that down a lot longer. given this power it would be no wonder nic would want to get his hands on it, and i think i know who he planed to use it on.
if jim follows the pattern of every 5 books for nic showing up we will see him again right before the end trilogy and im betting the event to kick off that is nic stealing the knife and using it to kill one of the beings who has stood in his way time after time uriel.
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Didn't the spear not actually kill Christ? I thought He was dead of the rigors of crucifixion first, and then Longinus stabbed Him in the side to make sure He was dead. And He was.
Correct me if I'm wrong.
Mith:
Apparently so. Most stories I have heard always take the stance that the Lance was basically what killed him, as he was only on the Cross for a few hours.
Quantus:
--- Quote from: namkcas on July 02, 2015, 04:51:53 PM ---2 - Novels: Later is better than earlier. There are some number of retcons and changes to things.
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Help me out here. Ive been seeing this statement made more and more often these days, and it's got me a little confuse. What retcons? I know of the tweak to Ivy where she doesnt literally know ever single thing that has ever been spoken (though Oral History still seems to be in her purview). And I know of the simple mistakes like Molly's age or the name of Bianca's Assistant. But people are making it sound like he's been re-writing and revising things left and right like a long lived comic book character (Wolverine has no bone claws you whippersnappers!). But Im not aware of anything that significant or numerous?
--- Quote ---For example, we recently discussed Maggie spending her summer vacation on DR (which I still don't know where Quantus got that nugget from).
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It was a recent and very brief interview on Beard and Bean, I believe while at SausomeCon. I got it from facebook, so unfortunately I dont have a link I can post.
--- Quote from: Slowpool on July 06, 2015, 05:35:53 AM ---Didn't the spear not actually kill Christ? I thought He was dead of the rigors of crucifixion first, and then Longinus stabbed Him in the side to make sure He was dead. And He was.
Correct me if I'm wrong.
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Dredging from my Sunday School memories, but the big deal with the spear was that it preserved the circumstances of a prophesy (of which I remember nothing else). Crucifixion often took days to actually kill the person. It was common practice to break their lets after a bit, which because of their raised arm hanging position would actually strangle them on their own collarbone. The prophesy stated that he would die without any broken bones, however. Longinus was sent up to break his legs, but for some reason chose to stab him instead. In doing so he "preserved the Divinity of Christ" and created the last of "the Five Holy Wounds" (the others all being Nail Wounds.
--- Quote from: Serack on July 02, 2015, 06:47:06 PM ---BTW Quantus, I spliced in a link to the original source of the image of the knife you were referring to in Reply #9
I keep that link tucked under "Random Interwebs coolness involving Jim" in the official all time WoJ index that hasn't been updated much the past year or so... (although checking, it does have links to the topics containing the newer links... so it isn't as out of date as I feared...)
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Ah, coolness. It was giving me trouble linking to it (though it might have been do to the content filters Im stuck behind at work) so I dropped in into photobucket. But then Photobocket had to go and "improve" (translation "Break") their link code functionality for a while. I think its back up and running now.
Mr. Death:
--- Quote from: Quantus on July 06, 2015, 01:23:30 PM ---Help me out here. Ive been seeing this statement made more and more often these days, and it's got me a little confuse. What retcons? I know of the tweak to Ivy where she doesnt literally know ever single thing that has ever been spoken (though Oral History still seems to be in her purview). And I know of the simple mistakes like Molly's age or the name of Bianca's Assistant. But people are making it sound like he's been re-writing and revising things left and right like a long lived comic book character (Wolverine has no bone claws you whippersnappers!). But Im not aware of anything that significant or numerous?
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Not just Ivy's knowledge, but also how she became the Archive. In Death Masks, she says that when her mother gave birth, she went into a persistent vegetative state, and that that was how the Archive always passed from one to another -- at the new Archive's birth. In Small Favor, the story's completely different -- that Ivy's mother killed herself while still pregnant, that the Archive passes upon the death of the previous Archive, and Ivy's situation is wholly different and unprecedented.
Quantus:
--- Quote from: Mr. Death on July 06, 2015, 02:06:39 PM ---Not just Ivy's knowledge, but also how she became the Archive. In Death Masks, she says that when her mother gave birth, she went into a persistent vegetative state, and that that was how the Archive always passed from one to another -- at the new Archive's birth. In Small Favor, the story's completely different -- that Ivy's mother killed herself while still pregnant, that the Archive passes upon the death of the previous Archive, and Ivy's situation is wholly different and unprecedented.
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So nothing besides the rejiggering of the Archive?
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