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He Couldn't Lose [SG Spoilers]
Eldest Gruff:
--- Quote from: Foxed on June 30, 2015, 08:26:04 PM ---I thought it was pretty clear that his power went to Where the Dragons Went.
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You'll have to clarify a bit cuz all i'm currently picturing is Dragonheart and Draco/Sean Connery turning into a star in the sky :P
Foxed:
Pratchett's Guards! Guards! Although, in that case, if I have my end-of-the-book summation correct, the dragons came from the minds of humans, and then went back into the dark reaches of our imagination when we were done believing in them.
megarows:
--- Quote ---Where did Siriothrax's power go? Where does any power go when one dies who doesn't bear a mantle?
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Entropy of some kind, probably. Were it Dark Souls or Skyrim, Michael could've scored a nice dragon soul though.
--- Quote ---once they lost that cosmic significance
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What significance?
If the fae queens got their power from knife-murdering Hecate, and Hecate got hers from knife-murdering humans (well, ascention rituals, anyway), it's just an artificial construct from a lot of knife murdering. Nothing natural or holy there.
So what's Butcher's point with the fae mantles, anyway? That weather systems didn't exist before knife-murdering and black magic ascention rituals? Sounds like one of those "dinosaur bones are 200 years old" arguments. And if black magic ascention rituals are vital for the natural order and create mantles that aren't inherently evil, why do we keep wasting time in each novel worrying about petty things like morality, laws of magic, or anything else?
Anyway, do we even know for sure if the dragons were natural, or just someone being a knife-murdering tardbeast again?
Moreover, if entities with artificially created mantles of stolen life have insinuated themselves into natural processes in the universe, and the laws of thermodynamics apply to mantles, then they are *not* eternal. What's going to happen when they run out and fail?
wizard nelson:
--- Quote ---Entropy of some kind, probably.
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MW cuts their string and they drift off into the memory of the cosmos becoming outsiders. If you think, MW kinda is the outergate, the final barrier, the supreme unmaker, whichever. I mean there's layers to death in the DF, mortal death, spiritual death, ect. the final one is not being part of this reality at all, but as leah says even the comso's remembers, if thats so then it makes sense the comso has the vast imprints of everything that was ever unmade entirely. as a side note, I imagine this is how/why hell,hades and any other form of afterlife exists, to keep the balance of energy inside and not let it drift off to come back as, whatever the heck is outside. everything that doesn't currently exist and all that hasn't yet?
(theoretically by killing sithro Michael put him outside where he might try to find a reflection back into our world, or help greater the power of the outside in other signifigant ways. Woj dragons are on par with archangels so imagine the sudden void from one of those ceasing to exist, that void is now outside power)
megarows:
--- Quote from: wizard nelson on June 30, 2015, 10:18:45 PM --- MW cuts their string and they drift off into the memory of the cosmos becoming outsiders. If you think, MW kinda is the outergate, the final barrier, the supreme unmaker, whichever. I mean there's layers to death in the DF, mortal death, spiritual death, ect. the final one is not being part of this reality at all, but as leah says even the comso's remembers, if thats so then it makes sense the comso has the vast imprints of everything that was ever unmade entirely. as a side note, I imagine this is how/why hell,hades and any other form of afterlife exists, to keep the balance of energy inside and not let it drift off to come back as, whatever the heck is outside. everything that doesn't currently exist and all that hasn't yet?
(theoretically by killing sithro Michael put him outside where he might try to find a reflection back into our world, or help greater the power of the outside in other signifigant ways. Woj dragons are on par with archangels so imagine the sudden void from one of those ceasing to exist, that void is now outside power)
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Heh, "Insomnia" + "It"? But in "It", Pennywise was an old one herself, and had to personally rip the soul out of someone to send it Outside. Not really what happened with Dragon Slayer Michael.
Mother Winter isn't TWG, just a human hopped up on ascension ritual meth. She has difficulty traveling spatially, and we saw in GS that souls don't just warp to her. So I don't think she has dominion over that kind of thing on a cosmic scale.
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