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The Fourth Holy Sword
B33bl3br0x:
--- Quote from: Eldest Gruff on April 21, 2015, 01:24:55 PM ---Morgana's you mean?
[quote[About the wardens swords:
When Demonreach waffles about the Warden he says that at first there was only one and then there were many. So what if Merlin locked away all the big bad guys and then realized that there are still plenty of bad guys out. So he picked up the shards he still had stored away safe and does some powerful magic on them that bends their purpose because now they are able to kill innocents. He then teaches the leader to be of the wardens how to make the swords and seals himself away.
Why is it such an hidden spell?
1) Making more swords would dimish the power because they all tap into one power source.
2) Bending the purpose of something this powerful could be bad
3) Knowing how to create something probably means you can undo it to.
Problem is there is never a fixed amount of Warden's. Some years they might have 200, some years 188, some back up to 212...and so on. And it still doesn't help them if the Captain dies or becomes incapacitated, as we have seen with Luccio, because she hasn't taught anyone how to make them...there is no guarantee she will ever get her ability to do so back. So it would be prudent to teach someone new if she could, like Chandler for instance, someone with skill and a trustworthy reputation.
The fact that she hasn't speaks more to it being a personal ability of hers more so than a secret art lineage I think.
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--- Quote from: Bergi on April 21, 2015, 04:13:39 PM ---About one of the swords "talking" to Harry i can't remember either.
About the Hellsword yes i mean Morgana's, it is one of those things still shrouded into much mystery.
And another point are the warden swords, they too are still not much explained. But i always had the impression that they were something that dates back to Merlin running around with a sword and somehow was created after his retreat. About the changing numbers of swords i don't have a problem with this, they are just something like power plugs one or two more or less are not important but too many would be bad. Maybe the knowledge about creating those swords makes you leader of the wardens, where Luccio hasn't found anyone worth it up to now.
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In White Night Luccio tells him that the swords are her design.
--- Quote ---She smiled briefly. The expression had entirely too much weight and subtlety for a face so young. "The fact of the matter is that the swords the Wardens have used in your lifetime must be tailored specifically to each individual Warden. They were also all articles of my creation - and I am no longer capable of creating them."
I frowned and imbibed more coffee. "Because..." I gestured at her vaguely.
She nodded. "This body did not possess the same potential, the same aptitudes for magic as my own. Returning to my former level of ability will be problematical, and will happen no time soon." She shrugged, her expression neutral, but I had a feeling she was covering a lot of frustration and bitterness. "Until someone else manages to adapt my design to their own talents, or until I have retrained myself, I'm afraid that no more such blades will be issued."
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White Night Chapter 22
Doesn't that mean that there were no such swords before she created them?
[EDIT]I suppose the wording does allow for the possibility that they carried different, similar weaponry. Or even swords of a different design. Though given the history of man, before Luccio came into the picture swords were pretty much all there were.[end edit]
Eldest Gruff:
--- Quote from: B33bl3br0x on April 21, 2015, 06:36:32 PM ---In White Night Luccio tells him that the swords are her design.
White Night Chapter 22
Doesn't that mean that there were no such swords before she created them?
[EDIT]I suppose the wording does allow for the possibility that they carried different, similar weaponry. Or even swords of a different design. Though given the history of man, before Luccio came into the picture swords were pretty much all there were.[end edit]
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Exactly. Magical weaponry in principle has been around since magic...but the Swords are her thing. Learnable if and only if they can adapt their magic to a similar temperament as her own, but not hidden secret arts.
kazimmoinuddin:
just because it is a weapon of the enemy, does not mean it has to be used by the enemy? harry is used to dealing with hellfire, also, denarians would be vulnerable to a hellfire blade.
Eldest Gruff:
Hellfire is just a spell augmenter not an actual fire that can be used against its users.
kazimmoinuddin:
i think hellfire was used to make the circle used too deal with the archive by the fallen.
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