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Who Attacked Arctis Tor, and Why
Eldest Gruff:
--- Quote from: groinkick on February 15, 2015, 08:27:47 PM ---I didn't mean it was a compromise. I meant the attack all along wasn't meant to be a victory for the bad guys. The intent was to force Mab into a type of deal.
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If the enemy had enough power to force her into a deal then why not just eliminate her entirely? I mean Mab is until Harry harnesses his 'starborn-ness' THE main force keeping the Outsider's at bay and thwarting the plans of the enemies in this world. So if that force was powerful enough to compel her to make a deal, then that was immensely short-sighted on their part when they could have just eliminated or weakened her.
And considering there are only a handful of beings that could do that, it seems unlikely.
groinkick:
--- Quote from: Eldest Gruff on February 15, 2015, 08:31:31 PM ---If the enemy had enough power to force her into a deal then why not just eliminate her entirely? I mean Mab is until Harry harnesses his 'starborn-ness' THE main force keeping the Outsider's at bay and thwarting the plans of the enemies in this world. So if that force was powerful enough to compel her to make a deal, then that was immensely short-sighted on their part when they could have just eliminated or weakened her.
And considering there are only a handful of beings that could do that, it seems unlikely.
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There is a big difference attacking Arctis Tor, and taking on hundreds of millions of Fae many of which are watching the Outer Gates... The ones attacking may have needed her to do something that she could do, but they couldn't. Just because someone wanted something from her doesn't mean they wanted her to be defeated, and allowing the Outsiders to break through.
forumghost:
Alternatively they could have wanted her to not do something. Not even Mab can be everywhere after all.
the neurovore of Zur-En-Aargh:
--- Quote from: Eldest Gruff on February 15, 2015, 07:45:27 PM ---If you are referring to Maeve and Lily as I assume you are, that is a very abnormal circumstance. Maeve is infected and Lily is lonely/impressionable and overall too willing to 'do good' for her own good. Summer and Winter are diametrically opposed at all other times, its why every time Mab chose Harry as representative or emissary before he became the Knight, Summer was there to oppose him in some way.
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In SK, the net result overall is to remove a dangerously errant Summer Lady and restore the balance.
In SmF, the net result is to keep the Archive from falling to the Denarians, which benefits both courts. And Mab makes it clear to Harry that Summer's forces opposing him are not there to stop him but to compel him to be Winter's Emissary for this job when she can't (by her own given word in SK) do so herself.
--- Quote --- Every other time Summer gets shafted, their Lady dies TWICE, their Knight once and the new one gets his ass handed to him.
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Their Knight is killed by their own rogue Lady. And killing rogue ladies is not a loss to the Court they belong to, that I can see; they get replaced.
--- Quote --- The Gruffs are defeated and felled at every turn, the exception being Eldest who gets sent to be an errand boy...amusing thou he found it.
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None of the gruffs up until Eldest are particularly plausible challenges for Harry, and Eldest basically slowly gives Harry hints until Harry figures out how to get out of the situation; this is not the action of an Eldest-level entity that wants Harry dead and is not an idiot.
--- Quote ---Raith's protection isn't explicitly stated to be Outsider related, its just assumed at this point
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Harry cites it as specifically feeling like the mordite he dealt with in DM.
--- Quote ---But for Scarecrow, the reason his nature is different is because he holds the mantle of Eldest, just like Cat Sith, the oldest and most powerful of its kind.
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Harry offers that as one possible theory alongside external corruption, and is not at all sure of it.
raidem:
--- Quote ---But for Scarecrow, the reason his nature is different is because he holds the mantle of Eldest, just like Cat Sith, the oldest and most powerful of its kind.
Harry offers that as one possible theory alongside external corruption, and is not at all sure of it.
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I found one example of Harry's magic being effective until it wasn't on the same entity.
In DM, on encounter with Ursiel his magic was VERY effective.
Then, during the soulgaze, Ursiel says "GET OUT"
After that, Harry's magic doesn't work against him.
I think there is a change of state for Harry and that it is why his magic sometimes is very effective and other times not.
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