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Who Attacked Arctis Tor, and Why
Griffyn612:
--- Quote from: peregrine on February 14, 2015, 04:48:31 PM ---Pretty sure the similarity between the two situations with bones is that there were a lot of dead bodies around.
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Eldest Gruff:
--- Quote from: Griffyn612 on February 14, 2015, 04:41:50 PM ---Just going to add this for consideration.
Harry clearly describes piles of bones lying in the remnants of Arctis Tor's defenses. The only other time I can recall piles of bones is in COLD DAYS, describing the bones of the fallen guards at the gates. There would seem to be a correlation there.
And I can't see Mab sacrificing at least a dozen or more of her personal guard along with a thousand other troops just to let Harry stroll into Arctis Tor. If Harry is right, then whoever was attacking Arctis Tor had Mab retreating. That's got to be a seriously powerful coalition of troops, even if they were someone like the Circle with Outsider support. It makes me think of the horde of Outsiders we saw in COLD DAYS storming Demonreach.
Of course, maybe the bones weren't all defenders. Maybe they were the attackers too. Maybe it was Circle and Ramps and Outsiders and others all working together, and some of those bones are Ramps and such. But still, I can't see all of that being a setup for Harry walking in to save Molly.
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--- Quote from: Eldest Gruff on February 14, 2015, 03:42:40 PM ---I see one of two possibilities for this coupled with Maeve being in control of the forces at that time...possibly her failure hinted to Mab that something was seriously wrong with her. But either theory requires Mab to be 'indisposed'.
Option 1: Mab was AT the Outer Gates. We know from Rashid that certain years the battling is more intense than others. The Red Court's decimating of the Council forces coupled with their 'invasion' of Fae territory in the NeverNever was both done with the help of them calling up Outsiders. What if a subsequent or parallel push was made at the Gates themselves, enough that Mab HAD to step in even if just briefly. This is either a plan to get her away from Arctis Tor to attack it, OR they are just opportunistic enough to take advantage while she is gone and Maeve is probably in charge with Lea incapacitated.
Option 2: Mab was busy curing Lea. This is admittedly the weaker of the two choices because we still don't have nearly enough information regarding Nemesis, how it infects, and what it takes to rid a person of their influence. But supposing for a moment that it requires someone more or less of Mab's power to eradicate it thoroughly from the system, that could take some working...maybe she has to slip into Lea's consciousness and actively burn Nemesis away. As she is busy at work, enemy forces are at the gate ready to strike because Maeve has informed them she is in charge while Mab sees to Lea.
Either way I think overall Maeve WAS in control of the forces at Arctis Tor for some reason or another. Whether Mab is at the Gates or in Lea's head she could still be aware of what is going on around her, (hence the statue wink), but could not pull away from one of those tasks because doing so would mean she lost something...either a pivotal battle, or her right hand woman.
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What if the retreating person was Maeve? She could easily play off 'running' as she is already infected AND probably part of the plan to some degree.
Griffyn612:
--- Quote from: Eldest Gruff on February 14, 2015, 04:52:28 PM ---What if the retreating person was Maeve? She could easily play off 'running' as she is already infected AND probably part of the plan to some degree.
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Wait, I think there's a divergence in theory here.
Namkas seemed to be implying that Mab was absent, and Maeve took over Arctis Tor. Then there was a battle to retake Arctis Tor. But who was retaking it? Mab? Why would she need fire to destroy her gates? Or did Maeve attack Arctis Tor to take it? Why would Mab's personal guard be guarding Maeve when she retreated from Mab?
Or is it that Mab was at the Gates, so she left Maeve in charge of defense at Arctis Tor? And then the bad guys attacked Arctis Tor, and Maeve subtly sabotaged the defensive efforts, which almost caused Arctis Tor to fall?
Eldest Gruff:
--- Quote from: Griffyn612 on February 14, 2015, 05:01:39 PM ---Wait, I think there's a divergence in theory here.
Namkas seemed to be implying that Mab was absent, and Maeve took over Arctis Tor. Then there was a battle to retake Arctis Tor. But who was retaking it? Mab? Why would she need fire to destroy her gates? Or did Maeve attack Arctis Tor to take it? Why would Mab's personal guard be guarding Maeve when she retreated from Mab?
Or is it that Mab was at the Gates, so she left Maeve in charge of defense at Arctis Tor? And then the bad guys attacked Arctis Tor, and Maeve subtly sabotaged the defensive efforts, which almost caused Arctis Tor to fall?
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The two theories I posited above were that either Mab was at the Gates or curing Lea. Either way Maeve was in charge of Arctis Tor at the time and 'allowed' a breach which she maybe thought she could play off as incompetence, overwhelming force or some such excuse but might have alerted Mab in the end to her actually being afflicted by Nemesis.
Griffyn612:
--- Quote from: Eldest Gruff on February 14, 2015, 05:06:00 PM ---The two theories I posited above were that either Mab was at the Gates or curing Lea. Either way Maeve was in charge of Arctis Tor at the time and 'allowed' a breach which she maybe thought she could play off as incompetence, overwhelming force or some such excuse but might have alerted Mab in the end to her actually being afflicted by Nemesis.
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Fair enough. What would the goal be, though? Free Lea, if Mab is at the Gates? Or defeat Mab if she were busy and distracted? Or both, if she's there?
I've added it as an option, since it's specific enough to differentiate from just a general Circle or Outsider attack.
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