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Who Attacked Arctis Tor, and Why
Griffyn612:
--- Quote from: King Ash on February 26, 2015, 10:02:56 PM ---I don't remember where it is, but it was within the last couple of years.
Some people argued that as Odin is a god renowned for foresight that he could plan something that Mab couldn't counter, my theory was that we haven't seen Odin at full power, only as Kringle and Vadderung. There is another WOJ that Vadderung enjoys being in the mortal world, subject to people trying to take him out. So my idea is that Vadderung is Odin without his Odin or Kringle powers so that he can live in the mortal world without causing cracks in reality, kinda like Ferrovax boasting that his full form would crack the earth.
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I'll agree that Vadderung seems to be a lesser form of Odin. But I'm not sure they're so easily divided. We saw Vadderung at the seat of his power, and Vadderung's power is directly tied to Odin. He has Odin's ravens, he has his troops, he uses Odin's eye as his symbol. It seems more like Odin became Vadderung as his power waned. He's not what he once was. He's probably still packing more than what we've seen, but as we've seen him take the field with Gungnir, I think he's still definitely what's left of Odin.
Acalanthis:
--- Quote from: Griffyn612 on February 26, 2015, 10:20:14 PM ---I'll agree that Vadderung seems to be a lesser form of Odin. But I'm not sure they're so easily divided. We saw Vadderung at the seat of his power, and Vadderung's power is directly tied to Odin. He has Odin's ravens, he has his troops, he uses Odin's eye as his symbol. It seems more like Odin became Vadderung as his power waned. He's not what he once was. He's probably still packing more than what we've seen, but as we've seen him take the field with Gungnir, I think he's still definitely what's left of Odin.
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Hang on a moment. Does anyone remember the exact quote from Cold Days?
Kringle says something to the effect of "Before Halloween, I'm not Santa; afterwards, I am." Maybe his Mantle is dependent on when in the year it is?
Griffyn612:
--- Quote from: Acalanthis on February 27, 2015, 02:49:28 AM ---Hang on a moment. Does anyone remember the exact quote from Cold Days?
Kringle says something to the effect of "Before Halloween, I'm not Santa; afterwards, I am." Maybe his Mantle is dependent on when in the year it is?
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He shows up as Kringle in the spring in SKIN GAME, and as Odin in November in CHANGES.
Acalanthis:
--- Quote from: Griffyn612 on February 27, 2015, 03:28:45 AM ---He shows up as Kringle in the spring in SKIN GAME, and as Odin in November in CHANGES.
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...well, balls.
It's a shame that it isn't anything as simple as Mab swapping out personas depending on the occasion.
King Ash:
--- Quote from: Griffyn612 on February 26, 2015, 10:20:14 PM ---I'll agree that Vadderung seems to be a lesser form of Odin. But I'm not sure they're so easily divided. We saw Vadderung at the seat of his power, and Vadderung's power is directly tied to Odin. He has Odin's ravens, he has his troops, he uses Odin's eye as his symbol. It seems more like Odin became Vadderung as his power waned. He's not what he once was. He's probably still packing more than what we've seen, but as we've seen him take the field with Gungnir, I think he's still definitely what's left of Odin.
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We saw him at the seat of his power in Midgard I think, Odin's seat of power was in Valhalla as far as I know.
It may be that Odin can only dwell in Asgard, and that if he wants to dwell on earth for long, he needs to leave behind most of his power. Thus Vadderung.
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