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Who Attacked Arctis Tor, and Why
the neurovore of Zur-En-Aargh:
--- Quote from: Arjan on February 26, 2015, 08:12:51 PM ---The right to summon seems to me as an obligation to come.
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OK, thank you.
Next question: Odin's decision of when to wear the Kringle mantle, is it informed by awareness of the possibility of summoning ? I incline to think yes.
Eldest Gruff:
--- Quote from: the neurovore of Zur-En-Aargh on February 26, 2015, 08:22:19 PM ---OK, thank you.
Next question: Odin's decision of when to wear the Kringle mantle, is it informed by awareness of the possibility of summoning ? I incline to think yes.
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As in does he have it for that reason, wanting some sort of relationship within Winter beyond whatever form of 'alliance' he might be able to gin up as his role as Odin...or that he wears it on every other say Saturday anticipating a jingle?
the neurovore of Zur-En-Aargh:
--- Quote from: Eldest Gruff on February 26, 2015, 08:27:40 PM ---As in does he have it for that reason, wanting some sort of relationship within Winter beyond whatever form of 'alliance' he might be able to gin up as his role as Odin...or that he wears it on every other say Saturday anticipating a jingle?
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I was thinking more, he puts it on when there's something big and obvious on the horizon like a trans-temporal attack which it would benefit him to be able to use Kringle's particular powerset with, and where being summoned by Mab (is that summoned in the magic-circle sense or in the sending a messenger saying "your assistance is needed" sense, I wonder?) fits with his plans to counter it. Whereas by contrast at the end of Changes, it seems to have suited him better to show up at CI in his own guise.
Eldest Gruff:
--- Quote from: the neurovore of Zur-En-Aargh on February 26, 2015, 08:36:54 PM ---I was thinking more, he puts it on when there's something big and obvious on the horizon like a trans-temporal attack which it would benefit him to be able to use Kringle's particular powerset with, and where being summoned by Mab (is that summoned in the magic-circle sense or in the sending a messenger saying "your assistance is needed" sense, I wonder?) fits with his plans to counter it. Whereas by contrast at the end of Changes, it seems to have suited him better to show up at CI in his own guise.
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Hard to say because we don't yet quite know what Odin's deal with this mantle is. By which I mean does he slip it on and off at will. I'm more inclined to think he always has the mantle...for one if it were so easy to discard then it kinda defeats the definition of a mantle, two it could be made vulnerable to theft or outside influence...and that its part of his overall power.
Think of it like and first person shooter picking up different guns. You don't use them all at once, you re-quip as needed...but strictly speaking that doesn't mean you lose the other weapons either they just go in the 'magic pocket'. So I think he is always Kringle, always has Kringle and just chooses when to be 'active' as Kringle.
the neurovore of Zur-En-Aargh:
--- Quote from: Eldest Gruff on February 26, 2015, 08:40:57 PM ---Think of it like and first person shooter picking up different guns. You don't use them all at once, you re-quip as needed...but strictly speaking that doesn't mean you lose the other weapons either they just go in the 'magic pocket'. So I think he is always Kringle, always has Kringle and just chooses when to be 'active' as Kringle.
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So you reckon he's summonable by Mab because of having Kringle in his magic pocket even when he's not active as Kringle ?
I incline to think not, but without any solid argument. Only thing I can think of that might be related is Harry trying to summon the Nightmare in GP without having exactly the right name but being able to get it anyway, but then at that point the Nightmare has goodly chunks of several people's souls including Harry's own, and it's ages since I've read that bit.
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