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Who Attacked Arctis Tor, and Why
groinkick:
--- Quote from: Al-Hajj Bilal Ammar Jihad on February 22, 2015, 04:21:09 AM ---Hmm...when a human is killed by a Black Court Vampire, does his/her soul depart? My guess would be yes, as our souls depart when we die--or, according to my faith, the connection (i.e. will) between our souls and bodies is severed, such that we remain aware of our surroundings but can no longer respond to them physically through our bodies.
Mavra was originally human. Is her rotting corpse now inhabited by her shade? She's dead, after all. Can a human shade pick up a coin and receive a Fallen?
You've broached a really intriguing subject, Groinkick--I suggest you start a topic thread on it.
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Thank you very much. Is it her shade that possesses her body? I had assumed that the demon had taken over her corpse. Like the demon's that are within the White Court, or the demons the Red Court transform into. I just thought the Black Court demons reanimated the corpse, and maybe retained memory's or shade of the corps?
Al-Hajj Bilal Ammar Jihad:
--- Quote from: Acalanthis on February 22, 2015, 05:13:49 AM ---Well, Harry's threat to her at the end of Dead Beat certainly seems to suggest that Mavra believes that necromancy can be turned against blampires like herself, and that the Word of Kemmler specifically contained that information.
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Yayus. Think there was other mention of this as well.
Al-Hajj Bilal Ammar Jihad:
--- Quote from: groinkick on February 22, 2015, 05:35:59 AM ---Thank you very much. Is it her shade that possesses her body? I had assumed that the demon had taken over her corpse. Like the demon's that are within the White Court, or the demons the Red Court transform into. I just thought the Black Court demons reanimated the corpse, and maybe retained memory's or shade of the corps?
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Hmm...good points. Could they animate it by binding its shade inside it, thus artificially re-establishing a connection between will and dead flesh? that sounds real close to necromancy. Perhaps this is why new vampires fumble around so much, and why the older a BC vampire is the more powerful it gets, i.e. through a strengthening of the connection, as in the more ancient spirits resurrected in DB being the most powerful. This could be why Mavra was so anxious to get hold of the Word of Kemmler--perhaps both to protect the Black Court from being enslaved by necromancers such as Cowl and/or Corpsetaker and to accelerate the development of powerful vampires and rebuild her Court.
Also, I have read accounts of vampires of the Stoker variety being referred to as "blood-sucking ghosts." I think we're on to something here.
Arjan:
--- Quote from: Al-Hajj Bilal Ammar Jihad on February 22, 2015, 05:46:19 AM ---Yayus. Think there was other mention of this as well.
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There was a big discussion about it on this forum as well. It is about this quote from dead beat:
--- Quote ---"I've got a fallen angel tripping all over herself to give me more power. Queen Mab has asked me to take the mantle of Winter Knight twice now. I've read Kemmler's book. I know how the Darkhallow works. And I know how to turn necromancy against the Black Court."
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woj is that Harry was not bluffing. My interpretation of this quote is that Harry made every new threat bigger than the previous one and the last one is the scariest one for Mavra.
And he got that knowledge from Kemmlers book.
http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,26717.msg1138970.html#msg1138970
KurtinStGeorge:
To get back to the OP, I think that while the Outsiders, Nemesis, or its agents might have long-term goals, like world domination, it's short-term strategies may change as events unfold.
For example, it appears Cowl made a deal with the Red Court to destroy the Senior Council for them. When that plan failed, it's possible the Outsiders or there allies decided it wouldn't be a bad thing for the Red Court to get hit by both Fairy Courts in order to wear the Red Court down, and make the Reds more dependent than ever on Outsider support.
Mab could have had more than one reason for holding almost all of her forces on the border with Summer. First, she would have wanted to keep the way to Arctis Tor mostly clear for the time when she would bring Harry Dresden to Arctis Tor to rescue Molly. Remember, there is evidence that the events at Splattercon!!! were planned about a year before the convention opened.
A second reason for Mab's behavior is more speculative. Mab may have not wanted the Red Court to get hammered by both the Summer and Winter Courts. She might have calculated that if both Summer and Winter attacked the Red Court, and the White Council later recovered enough strength to add its own weight to such attacks, the Reds might decide to sue for peace. I think that is something Mab would not have wanted to occur. I think Mab wanted revenge against the Red Court to come in a time and place of her own choosing way and she wanted her victory to be complete. Holding her forces at Summer's border ensured the Red Court would continue with its ruinous war.
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