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Who Attacked Arctis Tor, and Why

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Eldest Gruff:

--- Quote from: brighellac on February 22, 2015, 03:50:22 AM ---Not mortal.  She may not be eligible.

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We've been batting around the idea of eligibility on another thread...do you need a soul or is it just preferred because the Fallen love twisting souls away from God, things of that nature.

brighellac:

--- Quote from: Eldest Gruff on February 22, 2015, 03:52:05 AM ---We've been batting around the idea of eligibility on another thread...do you need a soul or is it just preferred because the Fallen love twisting souls away from God, things of that nature.

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So far every person who's gotten a coin has been mortal with free will.

How that meshes with nic's offer to grey, I don't know.  My speculation is that grey is a naagloshi scion, not full on naagloshi or other shapeshifting immortal without free will.

Al-Hajj Bilal Ammar Jihad:

--- Quote from: brighellac on February 22, 2015, 03:59:04 AM ---So far every person who's gotten a coin has been mortal with free will.

How that meshes with nic's offer to grey, I don't know.  My speculation is that grey is a naagloshi scion, not full on naagloshi or other shapeshifting immortal without free will.

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Predicated on a couple of assumptions: (1) Humans are the only beings with souls.  I disagree.  Jinni, at least, have souls too.  Maybe other sentient being as well.  (2) Grey is half-Naagloshii.  (3) That Grey is half human.  (4) That Nick knew what Grey was, and that he had a soul on which one of the Fallen could ride.

groinkick:

--- Quote from: brighellac on February 22, 2015, 03:59:04 AM ---So far every person who's gotten a coin has been mortal with free will.

How that meshes with nic's offer to grey, I don't know.  My speculation is that grey is a naagloshi scion, not full on naagloshi or other shapeshifting immortal without free will.

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But technically isn't Mavra a demon with free will?  Maybe after Dresden threatened her she was willing to make them an offer.  A merger.  "I help you with your goals, you help me with mine, then we go our separate ways." or something like that.

Eldest Gruff:

--- Quote from: groinkick on February 22, 2015, 04:13:26 AM ---But technically isn't Mavra a demon with free will?  Maybe after Dresden threatened her she was willing to make them an offer.  A merger.  "I help you with your goals, you help me with mine, then we go our separate ways." or something like that.

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I don't think the Denarians have anything she wants. Mavra is all about Mavra, and with the Darkhallow ritual at her fingertips i'm sure she has much bigger plans. A Fallen would just get in her way.

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