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Mab preventing use of Little Chicago
Lawgiver:
--- Quote from: Eldest Gruff on January 31, 2015, 01:18:25 AM ---She couldn't,
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Are we absolutely sure about that? We have zero information about who/what it was that put Shagnasty on to Morgan in the first place. If Mab directed its attention at the fleeing Warden, knowing he was headed for Harry, so it would follow him (possibly even made a deal with it to do so?) that would go a long, long way towards much of the events in that book occurring in just the way she would want them to.
No,proof, mind, just a big What If WAG.. but in a certain twisted little way it fits.
/shrug
edit: Ah, the moose beat me to it.
darn
Tami Seven:
--- Quote from: bigdangmoose on January 31, 2015, 02:07:23 AM ---What's to say that Mab didn't nudge shagnasty after Morgan? Its a variable outcome to know if Thomas would be kidnapped, but just brining shaggy into play increases the odds, especially when Mab knows about Thomas and that is a hot button when it comes to Harry.
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Mab didn't really need shagnasty, she could have found another, maybe someone from Winter, to kidnap Thomas. Not unlike the fetches kidnapping Molly. In theory anyway.
Hey, maybe Mab hired Shagnasty to kidnap Thomas. Maybe Shagnasty owed her a favor and this was his way of repaying the debt.
smwood:
--- Quote from: Griffyn612 on January 30, 2015, 11:59:45 PM ---The Headaches of Suppression
(click to show/hide)We've seen two instances where the Queens have obviously manipulated others, and trying to overcome that manipulation resulted in headaches.
Back in SMALL FAVOR, when Harry almost inadvertently remembers using fire magic.
And in SMALL FAVOR, when he actively tries to recall what a blasting rod is.
Which is also reminiscent of Lily trying to work around Titania's manipulation.
Which is somewhat similar to what happens to Harry when Mouse tries to give him the idea to use him to search for Thomas.
Harry even realizes it later, when he confirms with Mouse that he intended to help Harry.
Now, if you'll note, if there were a compulsion to try and stop Harry from using Mouse to find Thomas, it must have stopped working for Harry to have that clear thought. Which means either he was manipulated, and it was just a conveniently distracting headache, or the thing that was needed of him was already done.
That's where the theory not previously mentioned by me (that Mab wanted Harry to bond with Demonreach) comes in to play. Since Harry couldn't find Thomas, he decided to face Shagnasty mano-e-mano. And to do that, he went to the island and completed the ritual. And after that has been done, Harry can suddenly realize what Mouse was trying to do.
That may not have been the linchpin moment. Maybe something else happened to release the compulsion from Harry. But that's what others have suspected might be the motivation for such an action from Mab.
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I don't think Harry intended to fight Shagnasty man to man, that is why he lured the Raiths and Wizards, and brought the Zalord's army, and werewolves. It is a link to why he did his ritual, but Harry mainly did it to lure out the traitors.
You may be on to something about mind manipulation, but it makes more sense to me that it was the unborn SOI doing it, not Mab. The SOI had all the knowledge of Lash (and Harry), and likely knew that Harry would fare poorly in a one on one fight with Shagnasty. She may have feared for her own life.
Sully:
--- Quote ---But with his brother missing and being tortured by one of the most evil beings Harry's ever laid his Sight on, he settles for tracking spells using the copper circle? And completely neglects to mention LC in text, or even explain why it isn't used?
That doesn't make any sense.
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Does LC have Demonreach installed on it?
namkcas:
Well, I think a better way of saying that is "Why would you believe that Shagnasty had Thomas in Chicago?" Little Chicago only matters if he is. If he is not, the best you might know is what path was taken. I also thought the use of LC was essentially a tracking spell in any case. So, maybe Harry figures if he gets nothing from tracking spells at all why spend all the energy to use LC.
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