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Proven Guilty Mysteries
Serack:
--- Quote from: Foxed on January 24, 2015, 06:40:36 PM ---as Thomas moves out right before Harry stuffs Bob into his bag for half the book.
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Harry actually stuffed Bob into his bag /before/ Thomas moved him out.
I wrote about this pretty extensively here
I'm not the only one floored by your pointing out that Titania was probably present during Proven Guilty. Awesome point!
Serack:
KurtinStGeorge,
IMO, the 40 degree temperature drop should be a flashing neon sign that Winter was involved in the ward Harry had to fight through that was familiar to him. I also agree with the points that Mavra wasn't really mentioned much in that book and thus wasn't relevant. I also think Mavra is pretty dang scared of Harry since Harry is a serious threat to her necromantically. Jim has said that Harry wasn't bluffing about his insights from Kemler's book being a credible threat to her.
On the other hand, for the original timeline, Proven Guilty was supposed to happen before Harry read the Kemler book. And although Mavra wasn't mentioned, it's commonly accepted around here that the homeless shelter reference could be a tie in to Mavra.
I dunno, I think Mavra's being involved at the convention is a long shot, but I won't throw it out.
Griffyn612:
What if the weather wasn't caused by Titania's presence, but by Mab's preoccupation? is there a chance that her work to heal Lea, combined with Maeve neglecting her duties, AT being weakened, and the odd arrangement of winter's forces, might have contributed to the odd weather patterns in many places, but Harry's perspective only saw Chicago?
While I agree that the weather does tie into previously witnessed weather changes due to the presence of a queen, I just haven't been able to figure out what role Titania played. not without requiring time travel Harry to go back to find out what was really happening.
KurtinStGeorge:
--- Quote from: Serack on January 25, 2015, 08:57:14 PM ---KurtinStGeorge,
IMO, the 40 degree temperature drop should be a flashing neon sign that Winter was involved in the ward Harry had to fight through that was familiar to him.
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I recall frost forming on the blue beetle's windshield and on the wire fence at Wal Mart in Summer Knight. That was Elaine's work and it was an attempt to make Harry believe someone in Winter was behind stealing the Summer Knight's mantel. So I discount the temperature drop as proof that anyone from Winter put up the ward.
--- Quote from: Serack on January 25, 2015, 08:57:14 PM ---KurtinStGeorge,
On the other hand, for the original timeline, Proven Guilty was supposed to happen before Harry read the Kemler book. And although Mavra wasn't mentioned, it's commonly accepted around here that the homeless shelter reference could be a tie in to Mavra.
I dunno, I think Mavra's being involved at the convention is a long shot, but I won't throw it out.
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I have wondered what elements of the back story of Proven Guilty had to be swapped with those in Dead Beat in order to make the flipping of the order of those two books make sense. For example, did Jim originally have the Red Court calling up Outsiders and using of poison gas on wounded Wardens and near by civilians, in the first version of Proven Guilty and then have to flip the big assault on the White Council to Dead Beat when that one was moved ahead of PG?
I also wonder if flipping the books might have created one or more inconsistencies within the total story arc. My guess is Jim worked through any issues that may have arisen, but we can't be entirely certain of that.
On a slightly different tack, we know PG takes place in the summer time. In one of the early chapters Harry mentions he wants to get back inside out of the blazing sun. As I stated in my earlier post, the planning for the fetch attacks and setting up Darby Crane to take the fall for them started a little more than a year previously. That means the planning was in motion before the events in Dead Beat occurred. In my mind that at least removes Cowl and Kumori from playing any hidden role in PG. They were too involved in their own attempt to turn Cowl into a demi-god during the previous autumn to have also been in on the planning of the events which occurred at Splattercon!!!
Foxed:
--- Quote from: Serack on January 25, 2015, 08:08:19 PM ---Harry actually stuffed Bob into his bag /before/ Thomas moved him out.
I wrote about this pretty extensively here
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Geez I just read this book and I still got the timing wrong! Anyways, that fits in with my theory that Future Harry is working with Thomas. (Did you see my point about how Thomas pretty consistently stays out of any decision making once he rescues Harry?)
--- Quote ---I'm not the only one floored by your pointing out that Titania was probably present during Proven Guilty. Awesome point!
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Thanks!
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