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Proven Guilty Mysteries
raidem:
I'm more of the mind now that Proven Guilty had Titania all over it.
Titania is assisting Mab by constraining Lily's options and outflanking her when needed. I'm now wondering if perhaps Titania fixed Little Chicago, if Sandra was an agent of Summer, Titania was aware of an assault on WInter and acted to take up some of Mab's duties. It's not required though that Titania be the one who fixed Little Chicago.
Now, why would she do that. Well, in the Disprove the Duck thread, I asked myself if Molly=Mab who traveled into the past, and Mab has a biological sister, then wouldn't Titania be one of Molly's sisters. If true, she definitely would have an interest in preserving Molly's future and preventing any gambit against Molly/Mab that would greatly change or skew Mab's current identity. This though would seem to suggest that the Queens know who they are, and can predict from this fact a great many things, particularly those of great import that must be done within the timeline. Those acting against Molly and Sister are acting against Mab and Titania. The opposition is trying to destroy this reality by changing Molly's or her Sister's, or both, future and consequently past.
This reasoning would be equally valid if Molly simply was Summer's choice for a new Summer Lady. Titania wasn't pleased with Lily and she began acting to address this deficiency.
Now consider, all attempts against the Carpenter's family whether that be Charity, in the case of Gregor, Nightmare, and Scarecrow, or Molly in the case of Artur Langtry, Convention Set Up, Capiocorpus, attacks on Molly during Ghost Story etc, kidnapping of Alicia by
Griffyn612:
--- Quote from: raidem on January 25, 2015, 02:11:53 PM ---I'm more of the mind now that Proven Guilty had Titania all over it.
Titania is assisting Mab by constraining Lily's options and outflanking her when needed. I'm now wondering if perhaps Titania fixed Little Chicago, if Sandra was an agent of Summer, Titania was aware of an assault on WInter and acted to take up some of Mab's duties. It's not required though that Titania be the one who fixed Little Chicago.
Now, why would she do that. Well, in the Disprove the Duck thread, I asked myself if Molly=Mab who traveled into the past, and Mab has a biological sister, then wouldn't Titania be one of Molly's sisters. If true, she definitely would have an interest in preserving Molly's future and preventing any gambit against Molly/Mab that would greatly change or skew Mab's current identity. This though would seem to suggest that the Queens know who they are, and can predict from this fact a great many things, particularly those of great import that must be done within the timeline. Those acting against Molly and Sister are acting against Mab and Titania. The opposition is trying to destroy this reality by changing Molly's or her Sister's, or both, future and consequently past.
This reasoning would be equally valid if Molly simply was Summer's choice for a new Summer Lady. Titania wasn't pleased with Lily and she began acting to address this deficiency.
Now consider, all attempts against the Carpenter's family whether that be Charity, in the case of Gregor, Nightmare, and Scarecrow, or Molly in the case of Artur Langtry, Convention Set Up, Capiocorpus, attacks on Molly during Ghost Story etc, kidnapping of Alicia by
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My issue with this idea is that Titania was very clearly distraught over Aurora's death as of Cold Days. And she implies that Elder Gets helped her accept the truth, but she still wouldn't help Harry. I can't see her doing anything to help Harry. She seems ready to watch the world burn.
raidem:
--- Quote ---And she implies that Elder Gets helped her accept the truth, but she still wouldn't help Harry. I can't see her doing anything to help Harry.
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Such an action could be viewed through the same lens that Harry uses to get Lily to help him via Charity. Titania goal isn't directly helping Harry its saving Molly. An action she can only do via indirect means with her fixing LC. But yes, this is a rather weak point and isn't required for the whole model to work as alleged.
I could see in Proven Guilty the following time travelers: Winter's contingent, Summer's contingent, Nemesis contingent, 'some fourth party's contingent.'
Winter-Harry, Molly, SOI?; Summer-Sarrissa, Fix; Nemesis: WC wizard, Denarian, Infected Fae;
Foxed:
No. Titania didn't fix LC. We have three clear suspects if we treat this as a fair play mystery (not that I think there are no problems with any of the suspects, but it seems clear to me that Jim intends is to consider the following three):
1. Future Harry. There's plenty of time where Harry is out of his apartment with Bob, and after Thomas has moved out, on the night Molly is taken. My guess as to motivation is that Future Harry has his own goal in this time period and requires LC to accomplish it. And Future Harry, perhaps with his spirit daughter, would have the means to make the fix.
2. Lash. She states several times that she wants to survive and will not if Harry kills himself. Motive. She seems to know it is broken and can fix it. Means. Opportunity is slim, but she does affect Harry without him knowing (Murphy points out his improved lying skills) and implies she can talk to him as he sleeps. So, Lash riding sleepwalking Harry provides the opportunity.
Or perhaps, like the Ladies, the Queens are colluding
3. Mab. She seems mostly concerned with healing Lea in this book, and my evidence that Titania is backstage in this novel also doubles as evidence that Mab is absent. We've hashed out that she can cross the threshold to help Harry, and that she likely has the means to fix it. Perhaps she trusted Harry to stop Maeve and provided this minimal assistance.
Arjan:
--- Quote from: Foxed on January 25, 2015, 03:00:20 PM ---No. Titania didn't fix LC. We have three clear suspects if we treat this as a fair play mystery (not that I think there are no problems with any of the suspects, but it seems clear to me that Jim intends is to consider the following three):
1. Future Harry. There's plenty of time where Harry is out of his apartment with Bob, and after Thomas has moved out, on the night Molly is taken. My guess as to motivation is that Future Harry has his own goal in this time period and requires LC to accomplish it. And Future Harry, perhaps with his spirit daughter, would have the means to make the fix.
2. Lash. She states several times that she wants to survive and will not if Harry kills himself. Motive. She seems to know it is broken and can fix it. Means. Opportunity is slim, but she does affect Harry without him knowing (Murphy points out his improved lying skills) and implies she can talk to him as he sleeps. So, Lash riding sleepwalking Harry provides the opportunity.
Or perhaps, like the Ladies, the Queens are colluding
3. Mab. She seems mostly concerned with healing Lea in this book, and my evidence that Titania is backstage in this novel also doubles as evidence that Mab is absent. We've hashed out that she can cross the threshold to help Harry, and that she likely has the means to fix it. Perhaps she trusted Harry to stop Maeve and provided this minimal assistance.
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During proven guilty Mab had taken over Lea's duty as a godmother so she had a clear motive to fix LC, as a Sidhe she could enter the threshold for that purpose as well and someone left that calvin and hobbes winter wonderland book in his lab.
She had an investment to protect. When she was in his appartment doing Lea's duties she saw what was wrong with LC and as a good guest and godmother she fixed it.
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