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Saracen:
--- Quote from: Sanctaphrax on June 27, 2015, 03:30:53 PM ---If you look at how Zoro uses Haki, though, it's all about his superlative sword mastery. Force of personality and will don't seem to enter into it. Same goes for Mihawk.
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I think it's made pretty clear that Haki is based on force of personality/will. Sure, it gives a boost to Weapons/Fists etc., but it's born from Presence/Conviction. Do you think Luffy wouldn't be able to coat swords with his Haki if he wanted? Would he have to use Weapons to do it?
--- Quote from: Sanctaphrax on June 27, 2015, 03:30:53 PM ---And in the Skypeia arc, Mantra seemed like an extra sense. Probably Alertness based.
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Same here. It gives a bonus to Alertness/Investigation (also Athletics, with its premonition thing, and Emphaty with its... empathy thing), but it's personality based. To me, it's to be put under Presence.
--- Quote from: Sanctaphrax on June 27, 2015, 03:30:53 PM ---And I'm thinking you could roll Endurance and use the result as armour.
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Yeah, that sounds about right.
--- Quote from: Sanctaphrax on June 27, 2015, 03:30:53 PM ---Some, sure. But I got the impression that since they had their own monstrous Haki on their side, being Haki-blasted wasn't really a concern for them.
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I'm not convinced but I'm sure we will know more in the future.
Powderdry:
If you're still doing this, I'd love a Booker DeWitt from Bioshock Infinite, or Joshua Graham from Fallout New Vegas.
Sanctaphrax:
--- Quote from: Saracen on June 28, 2015, 10:24:27 AM ---I think it's made pretty clear that Haki is based on force of personality/will. Sure, it gives a boost to Weapons/Fists etc., but it's born from Presence/Conviction. Do you think Luffy wouldn't be able to coat swords with his Haki if he wanted? Would he have to use Weapons to do it?
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Even in real life, all abilities are born from will. And that's doubly true in One Piece, where you can stay pregnant for almost two years through sheer determination. But that doesn't mean you use Conviction for everything.
If you look at how Zoro acquires and improves his Haki, he does it all through swordsmanship. He became vastly better at Haki not by honing his will or his charisma or anything like that, but by training under the world's greatest swordsman.
I'm actually not sure whether Luffy can use haki through items. From a game rules perspective, though, I see no reason to prevent him from doing so.
--- Quote from: Powderdry on June 28, 2015, 03:12:23 PM ---If you're still doing this, I'd love a Booker DeWitt from Bioshock Infinite, or Joshua Graham from Fallout New Vegas.
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I know almost nothing about those people. If you post descriptions, though, I'll get to them if and when I revive this thread.
Saracen:
--- Quote from: Sanctaphrax on June 28, 2015, 06:20:53 PM ---Even in real life, all abilities are born from will. And that's doubly true in One Piece, where you can stay pregnant for almost two years through sheer determination. But that doesn't mean you use Conviction for everything.
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No one in the manga ever says that Zoro uses his swords so well thanks to his will, or that Nami drives an incredibly hard bargain thanks to her will, or that Sanji cooks a mean stew thanks to his will.
But it is said, explicitly, that Haki is the force of personality/will.
By the way, I would imagine that, if ever there was a roll for the two-years-pregnant thing ( ;D), Conviction definitely modified Endurance, there.
--- Quote from: Sanctaphrax on June 28, 2015, 06:20:53 PM ---If you look at how Zoro acquires and improves his Haki, he does it all through swordsmanship. He became vastly better at Haki not by honing his will or his charisma or anything like that, but by training under the world's greatest swordsman.
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That's an assumption. We don't know what Mihawk taught him and how.
--- Quote from: Sanctaphrax on June 28, 2015, 06:20:53 PM ---I'm actually not sure whether Luffy can use haki through items. From a game rules perspective, though, I see no reason to prevent him from doing so.
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And roll Weapons to do it?
Anyway, it just sounds wrong to me. It would be like saying that any wizard using a staff, rod, wand or any such foci to cast spells, would have to roll Weapons to do it. The magic comes from their Conviction, not from their stick or their ability to wield it. Or take an enchanted item, for example. You might wield your Force Stick with the Weapons skill, but the strength of its effect comes from Lore. (By the way, could I have just stumbled upon a good way to handle Haki? Through enchanted item slots?)
Sanctaphrax:
I had a reply plotted out in my head, but then I realized that we've been trending towards a non-skill-based arms Haki implementation anyway. So it's all a bit pointless to argue.
I really dislike the concept of agreeing to disagree, so I won't ask you to do that. But I'm abandoning the field here, so to speak.
--- Quote from: Saracen on June 28, 2015, 07:15:22 PM ---(By the way, could I have just stumbled upon a good way to handle Haki? Through enchanted item slots?)
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I don't think so. Enchanted items are very versatile, Haki seems pretty narrow. I guess it's a decent way to handle the cost of Haki, though.
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