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Origins of the Sidhe (High Fae) [CD spoilers]

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Quantus:

--- Quote from: Mira on May 09, 2014, 01:24:20 PM ---  First think that jumps out at me, may pertain to the book after Skin Game..  The one that says that anything that corrupts the mind of the user.. Unless I read that wrong, the Council will really want Harry and Molly's heads now, because as been debated the Winter Mantles do mess with the mind, at the same time supposedly it puts Molly out of their reach, but perhaps not Harry?

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I think you are saying that the Council would view aquiring the Mantles as a violation of the Laws because the Mantles mess with owner's mind, yes?  Im pretty sure that wouldnt apply, because that law isnt a ban on associating with corrupting forces, it's about being a corrupting force, using magic to invade and/or twist another's mind.

Lost Merlin:
Yeah I think the council will be pissed with them for taking up the mantles rather than that the mantles will change them.  I think they are concerned with them spilling secrets to the Fae which then the Fae can trade to Council enemies. 

Mira:

--- Quote from: Quantus on May 09, 2014, 02:55:09 PM ---I think you are saying that the Council would view aquiring the Mantles as a violation of the Laws because the Mantles mess with owner's mind, yes?  Im pretty sure that wouldnt apply, because that law isnt a ban on associating with corrupting forces, it's about being a corrupting force, using magic to invade and/or twist another's mind.

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From Serack's old post..

--- Quote ---Black Magic is any magic that warps (corrupts) the mind of the magic wielder.WoJ#2
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  By that definition, since we know the mantle of the Winter Knight and supposedly the Winter Lady as well can warp the mind of the holder. So what's to stop the Council from declaring both Harry and Molly warlocks and try to give them the chop? Well, Mab may have something to say. So it isn't what is done to someone else's mind, but what happens to one's own.  Which makes sense and why the White Council has an almost zero tolerance once a young man or woman performs black magic, not matter their intentions.  They are declared "warlock," their mind corrupted beyond redemption,  and given the chop... The Merlin explains it very patiently and a bit condescendingly to Harry at the beginning of Proven Guilty.

vultur:
I really doubt Harry is the first Council member to become a Knight of one of the Courts.  And it certainly would not be considered black magic... black magic is defined by the Laws of Magic, and there's nothing in there about "no having mantles".

Killing Slate is something else, but I don't think that really counts as a spell, so I think Harry is still OK in terms of the Laws of Magic.

EDIT: Yeah, returning to life might well get him in trouble if they think it's the Kemmler thing / what Corpsetaker was trying to do with stealing a body in GS...

Aegnoralkarin:
I'm sorry if this has been mentioned already;I only read the first two pages of this thread before I had to throw this out there.

WoJ has it that every one of the Fae has a little mortal in them. 'Mortal', not 'human'. Perhaps that reconciles the two contradictory WoJs?

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