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Origins of the Sidhe (High Fae) [CD spoilers]
Serack:
--- Quote from: Orbweaver on May 09, 2014, 02:16:59 AM ---Serack, you missed my point.
The WOJ I listed leaves a lot of wiggle room. We don't know which specific aspects of creation were assigned to Ferrovax. We don't know if any of them even still exist, in terms of his having shaped reality on the whole. We don't know how much control he had, or how or why it switched to someone or something else. That's the speculatory part, I'm not stating that Ferrovax having had control was speculation.
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Oh, ok, now I get what you point out as speculation. It's relevancy is lost on me though.
--- Quote ---Your theory that it passed on to a free-willed being (or beings) may have some merit, particularly given the Dragons' resentment of humanity, but they aren't the only free willed beings around. The third quote regarding Ferrovax is supporting the idea (or premise) that free will can and does shape reality. Humans would have very little capability to change anything, were it not for that.
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For the DF, on Planet Earth, that is speculation.
My theory does not exclude free willed beings causing his power to shift to another being that was already immortal, just that some free willed beings ascended by taking on power like Fero's. It hypothesizes that most of the immortal beings with that kind of power used to be mortal, but explicitly states that there are some that this does not seem to apply to. It also hypothesizes a possible different genesis origin for the being Fero as well.
Lost Merlin:
--- Quote from: kingd67 on May 09, 2014, 03:25:30 AM ---But there again is the fact that it would only hold true as to the intent of the magic being used! If it was being used in a way that would or could be considered Black then it may leave a stain as you put it, but the same "spell" used in the white wouldn't necessarily do the same. My personal theory is not grounded in just the Dresden Verse btw!
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If you use the Laws as a base for what is black magic. Than..
I agree that the intent is important, but like all things it is a little bit of this and a little bit of that. Bending creatures to your will is against the laws, Morgan states this in StromF after Dresden Summons captures and releases Toot-toot. Dresden points out that he isnt really bending the creature to his will. Dresden in DB also breaks the necromancy law, but loop holes around it through summoning a dinosaur. But then look at Molly and using mind control (even with good intentions) left a taint on her.
Serack:
--- Quote from: kingd67 on May 09, 2014, 03:25:30 AM ---But there again is the fact that it would only hold true as to the intent of the magic being used! If it was being used in a way that would or could be considered Black then it may leave a stain as you put it, but the same "spell" used in the white wouldn't necessarily do the same. My personal theory is not grounded in just the Dresden Verse btw!
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Jim has discussed that intent is not the only determining factor. In fact, he has layed out in clear terms the importance of the results of your actions.
I went through a lot of trouble to discuss my understanding of the hows and why's of the consequences of Black Magic here. Take a look, and see how it meshes with your thoughts.
Mira:
--- Quote from: Serack on May 09, 2014, 12:40:16 PM ---Jim has discussed that intent is not the only determining factor. In fact, he has layed out in clear terms the importance of the results of your actions.
I went through a lot of trouble to discuss my understanding of the hows and why's of the consequences of Black Magic here. Take a look, and see how it meshes with your thoughts.
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First think that jumps out at me, may pertain to the book after Skin Game.. The one that says that anything that corrupts the mind of the user.. Unless I read that wrong, the Council will really want Harry and Molly's heads now, because as been debated the Winter Mantles do mess with the mind, at the same time supposedly it puts Molly out of their reach, but perhaps not Harry?
Serack:
--- Quote from: Mira on May 09, 2014, 01:24:20 PM --- First think that jumps out at me, may pertain to the book after Skin Game.. The one that says that anything that corrupts the mind of the user.. Unless I read that wrong, the Council will really want Harry and Molly's heads now, because as been debated the Winter Mantles do mess with the mind, at the same time supposedly it puts Molly out of their reach, but perhaps not Harry?
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I'm having a little trouble following you, so I'll just provide you with the WoJ that sums up pretty much everything I know about book 16. (Thanks TCF for bringing it to my attention)
--- Quote from: 2013 Salt Circle interview ---John: Given the events of Changes through to Cold Days, what's Harry's relationship with the White Council now?
Jim:He doesn't know yet, I don't want to give too much of that away, but uh, goodness, they are not going to be terribly pleased with him. The last wizard that they had that was running around, dying and then coming back again kinda caused them a little bit of trouble. They don't really appreciate that sort of thing too much, so as usual Harry is showing all the signs of being a horrible monster and if you don't know him that's what he looks like. And the White Council, they've never really had any patience for him and I'm sure that they will continue to be their charming and generous selves.
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