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Meta concept of how the DF will/is playing out [CD, MM and BAT Spoilers]
wizard nelson:
--- Quote ---as magic comes from life, and the NN is supported by magic, I think the idea that it ever extended farther than the moon is a bit dubious.
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There's just a bit too much human self importance in that statement for a duck to be making :P Realistically We know there are planets that can support life out there. So in a Verse created with pseudo-science why wouldn't this be true?
Ms Duck:
--- Quote from: wizard nelson on July 12, 2013, 02:44:41 AM ---There's just a bit too much human self importance in that statement for a duck to be making :P Realistically We know there are planets that can support life out there. So in a Verse created with pseudo-science why wouldn't this be true?
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--- Quote from: peregrine on July 12, 2013, 12:20:30 AM ---Who says that there's only life on Earth? All we know is that you can't get further than there in the NN. Doesn't mean that that's all there is.
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it's not and it's not. re read the woj again; the NN orbits worlds other than earth in other realities.
- for example, the canim, the marat, the people of the sun'..
And for all we know; there are other NN's.
and we know there is intelligent life from outside the NN, the vord came from there.
the problem, imo, is getting from one 'magical space' to another; without magic, you have to use tech.. like the vord did.
while FTL may exist in the Jim verse, there is no evidence yet that it does; even his most advanced species uses, by star trek standards, very primitive technology.
so to some up: our NN contains within it all the possible earths that might exist on the spectrum of free will, including ones in which human life never even evolved.
ga zillions and ga zillions and ga zillions of worlds
there are other alien worlds out there, that are not in our NN, as they are to far away.
(the vord homeworld)
and probably ga zi;llions and ga zillions more :)
while its possible those worlds may have ,magic and NNs of their own, Jim has not said so yet that I know of.
peregrine:
Even in this reality, I don't buy that somehow the NN is only an infinitesimal fraction of our actual universe. I mean, that's not even one AU. That's not even the area of the Sun in 3D space. Much less the areas that humanity has expanded to via satellite and probe.
My understanding of (admittedly, a half remembered quote) is that Earth to the Moon is about as far as you can travel, but not as far as there is, in the same way that about 40 Km is the highest we can fly. There's PLENTY more out there, we just can't get to it right now.
Ms Duck:
--- Quote from: peregrine on July 12, 2013, 03:18:17 AM ---Even in this reality, I don't buy that somehow the NN is only an infinitesimal fraction of our actual universe. I mean, that's not even one AU. That's not even the area of the Sun in 3D space. Much less the areas that humanity has expanded to via satellite and probe.
My understanding of (admittedly, a half remembered quote) is that Earth to the Moon is about as far as you can travel, but not as far as there is, in the same way that about 40 Km is the highest we can fly. There's PLENTY more out there, we just can't get to it right now.
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I think you seriously underestimate how big that space is. Even just in 3D, its 237,924,270,443,818,600 cubic KM...
that oh about 220,300 earths
gee, is there enough room ???????????
and it has way more than 3 dimensions. (Harry suggested 11 in CD, based on modern string theory, but he could be wrong)
peregrine:
And yet, still only a miniscule fraction of a fraction of a fraction of even our solar system, much less the universe as we know it.
Of course, if they can unfold those extra dimensions into something more akin to 3D space, then that's all fairly pointless, as a straight line can involve curves and other wacky spacetime shenanigans to make the distances whatever anyone wants.
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